Lift tournament ban on RT style guns?

[FallNAngel]

I'm pretty sure Evo2's can feed faster than 11.5bps and sure as hell aren't forcefed.

[demonguy8]

gravity is only capable of moving a 11.5 68 caliber paintballs down a direct feed tube in one second... do the math.. the Egg IS a forcefed loader, HOWEVER until the impeller actually starts spinning, the egg is only feeding at 11.5 bps hence why eggs are utterly worthless for a fast snapshooter.

[Jack & Coke]

...while we're on the subject of "safety":

If a gun fires when you bump the back of the tank with your hand, should it be pulled? To me, this is more dangerous than any Tippy RT.

[Brophog]

If a gun fires when you bump the back of the tank with your hand, should it be pulled?

You bet it should. Any gun. If it were a cocked pump with a trigger system light enough to fire that one shot, I'd still say yes.

[lamby]

no, because it complies with the rule. One trigger pull= one shot. If the trigger is that light that you can fire the marker by bumping the tank it will be easy to bounce, unless you have a e-marker with a hugh debounce delay.. AKA my cocker.

I can smack the side of my marker and make it fire, but it is the movement of the trigger that is causing it to fire, not the smack itself.

There is no rule stating that the trigger must be pulled by a finger.. so there you go

[badinfo]

^loophole lawyer

The rule states one shot one "pull" not one shot one smack to the side of the gun. I think the intention is fairly clear.

I still contend that my gun at maybe a whole 12bps on full auto is safer than many of these guns that are setup to shoot if ya look at em funny.

[Beemer]

I see nothing wrong with a 13bps Full auto ROF cap... Id wager this is easier to control than bounce issues where the players pulling his trigger semi auto at 15bps and shooting at 18-19....

Good Point bad idea

If a gun fires when you bump the back of the tank with your hand, should it be pulled?

Do they come out of the box like that? ASTM says the markers have to pass an A.D.test. If manufactures can say they are following standards, affidavits have to be on file.
Funny I dont see any of them saying they meet or exceed all A.S.T.M. Safty Standards. Wonder why. If these are user modified or adjusted guess whos Liable when someone gets hurt. They will wake up when an industry wide lawsuit hits the fan

There is no rule stating that the trigger must be pulled by a finger.. so there you go

No but there is a Safty Standard that says the marker should pass an A.D. test

I still contend that my gun at maybe a whole 12bps on full auto is safer than many of these guns that are setup to shoot if ya look at em funny

Not really. Think if the trig hangs or locks up


If the C.P.S.C. gets involved the first thing they will look at is the A.S.T.M. standards.

Its not if but when.

[GoatBoy]

Some valid points in here.

However...



If you do not maintain your guns properly, and they malfunction on the field (and worse, if you are not smart enough to pull your gun off your target and point it somewhere safe if it does malfunction), then you should be kicked off the field. BANNINATED!


On the bunkering move... if you bring a gun you can't control onto the field, you should be kicked off the field. If you can't come around a bunker and snap off a few shots in a controlled fashion, then that falls under this category. BANNINATED!

[Chris42050]

good point goatboy. If your gun had a stuck trigger you would be an idiot to leave it on your target, but you could still light someone up pretty good before you reacted and pointed your gun at the floor.

I'm not very consistent on this subject. R/T triggers do not bother me, but I wouldn't like to go fully auto either. Dont really know why.

[funkykarl]

Originally posted by Chris42050
I wouldn't like to go fully auto either. Dont really know why.

I agree and think I know why. It just doesen't seem as... fun. I mean, where's the gratification in sitting there and holding down the trigger? I think it just seems much more rewarding to be able to pull a trigger 13 times in a second on my own than to just hold it there. Maybe it's having the bragging rights of having quicker fingers than anybody at your local field or feeling cool while showing off over the chorno, but whenever I've played around with full auto I just felt like I was cheating.

[steveo356]

Maybe they can have sum sepret turneys
I.E. true semi auto
and then 1 that bounces occer no prpoblem they can be grouped with autos (that dont bother me none, ive hit 25 with my RT when i straped my friends Qloader strait to the feed neck)

[Tunaman]

That would solve the problem...Unlimited Class. Anyone caught with more than semi in the "Stock" class would be expelled from the tourney. If those idiots want to play full auto...well lets get it on then. This is gonna hurt you alot more than its gonna hurt me. :o

[funkykarl]

I think different classes is a pretty good idea, but I'm not sure how well it would work at the pro ranks... it just seems like it would be better to set some sort of a standard. For instance, you don't see different baseball leagues for players that want to put cork in their bats.

[127.0.0.1]

Just create a max paint rule, where each team can only have, say 2 cases of paint on a given round..... or that each team only have 10 cases for all rounds.

No more spray and pray... well, at least...

[Brophog]

Originally posted by 127.0.0.1
Just create a max paint rule, where each team can only have, say 2 cases of paint on a given round..... or that each team only have 10 cases for all rounds.

No more spray and pray... well, at least...

That's not solving the problem though. We've gone in the time of about 5 years from mechanicals that shot 6-8 bps (unless fanning) to 20 something of today. We've lost all integrity in governing our sport.

What exactly is a legal marker anymore? Its become VERY shady, and that isn't a good thing. We need to bring in some kind of standard and stick with it. Excuses like "But Marker X will be out of business" aren't gonna cut it either. The companies have danced around any semblance of rules and safety for too long now. Its THEIR fault if a rule is passed that actually makes triggers/markers legit again.