Steyr AUG Marker

[1ofkind]

Oh great now all the fat mommies are gona get rid of paintball... Thats all they need to see.

[brightman]

Interesting thread! I guess this is the part where I play the devil's advocate. Alot of concerns are that police officers will shoot someone for carrying these milsim guns. Well, as a police officer maybe I can shed a little light on the subject. I dont personally own a milsim marker but if I was into scenerio games I probably would. I think they are cool to mess around with but a little impracticle when on the speed ball field.
Typically police officers respond to calls from citizens who see something (guys dressed in camo running around the woods behind their house with somthing that appears to be a gun). I have made calls where guys are playing in the woods with paintball guns, bb guns, and real guns. My point is that we are not going to take chances on these types of calls and we cant just assume that all the calls are kids playing paintball.
Its very rare that I see paintball guns on the street. Most things we see are the realistic looking bb guns and airsoft guns that are used to rob banks, people, ect... When it comes down to it you can buy a walther ppk replica bb gun for 33 dollars at accademy. For $100 you can buy a .22 cal rifle from Academy and for $200 you can buy a 12 gauge shotgun. The people who pay $800-1000 for a mil-sim paintball gun typically arent much of a threat to us.
As far is the image of the sport you have to remember that there are two different types of play and rec-ball/scenerio paintballers are the majority. And when it comes down to it our sport is based on going in the woods and hunting each other. Why hide it, its fun. I understand making it more publicly appealing but our roots are our roots.

[doc_Zox]

In Annapolis MD this year, we had a bill to ban the sales of all toy guns in Maryland, unless it had a safety orange barrel end. It died in committee, so we never found out if it would have applied to paintball...

One of the pro gun Senators asked "what would happen if a criminal painted the end of a real gun orange?" "Would a police officer pause while being drawn down on?"

If any AOers don't think the Brady-ites do not want to end paintball, you should do some poking about the MMM website

If you want to do some real good for the sport
find a pro gun candidate this fall and volunteer to hand out flyers

Most of the anti gun legislation happens because the affected folkes do not get involved.

i for one, enjoy making congress critters look like idiots in front of their constituents.

Sting them enough times and they will find something less controversial to bother.

Rock the vote!

dZ

[Target Practice]

Bad Idea. Talk about royaly screwing the image of paintball. Nope, as much as I hate to say it (cuz I don't especially like the looks of them), markers like the DM4 help keep paintball "public friendly".

I think I had better reword my statement at the beginning of the thread. When I think of Milsim guns, I think of Rusty's Paintball Gear. If you browse around this site, you will find reproductions of many types of military arms. Here is a list of some of them:

M249 SAW
MG42
M14
M4
MP5
Thompson
M1 Carbine
M60
H&K PSG1 Sniper
G3
And my favorite:
Browning .30-Cal

What I want noticed is, not only the ultra-realism of these markers, is the cost. These things are expensive. Granted, they are beautiful, and I would play with them in a heartbeat, but they are out of the price range of most run of the mill players, IMO.

Now, I'm all for milsims if they are able to be isolated for scenario-ball. I mean, I would love to be able to play in the D-Day game with their M1 Carbine:

But I just dont feel quite right knowing that just anybody can own one. It just seems like it would do more harm than good.

Conclusion: I love firearms. I love paintball. I love paintball guns that look like firearms. I hate when people pull their kids away from me when I am reading APG in Barnes&Noble. I hate having people asky my why I practice "killing people". I think that a massed-produced milsim marker would only reinforce this behavior, and have negative reprocussions on our sport.

My $.04

-Ryan

[brightman]

Target practice, your right in these guns being ultra realistic. I think the price of the guns are what is going to keep them out of the hands of the thugs or people who dont relize the resposibility of what they have. I ahd to laugh at the prices of the guns on the web site posted above most of the guns are more expensive than the real thing.

AR-15 - 700-800
M4 spyder - 700 (and its still shoots like a spyder)

As long as they keep the prices as high as they are I think the only people buying the markers are going to be hard core scenerio players.