What is AGD doing in the future?

[Rumble]

umm so if the mag name is gone.... dosent that mean no more AO?

[Cyberious]

umm so if the mag name is gone.... dosent that mean no more AO?

Unlikely, at the worst you could just call it Airguns Online. However since this is more of an online community there really is no need to change the board name.

[ramenjames]

I think it might be smart to do the tool thing that has been brought up a few times

keep the 'Mag name to continue with your current plan (the rec/big game thing)
and make a new name/product to blow the tourny hype machines out of the water

.02

[nicad]

'cause as we know.. its all about making that Nicad guy happy! :)

[bleachit]

sigh, just erased all I wrote...

basically, AGD messing with the scenario crowd will help create a base of support for the TAC ONE. After AGD's rep is reborn in the scenario area, a new tourney marker will be more feasible, if/when one is made.

The scenario market is probably a better deal than going after a major tourney team to sponsor because I would think a scenario team would not cost as much to sponsor, and a scenario team would actually be able to interact with more people more often and allow these people who are not familiar with AGD or their products an opportunity to shoot them/learn about them before judging them.

[gibby]

'cause as we know.. its all about making that Nicad guy happy! :)

Of course! Besides AGD, no one else makes kick@$$ mag parts! Keep it up and I hope things go your way! BTW, I still know a guy who loves to make love to my Karta. For his sake, I just won't mention his name...LOL!

[Enemy]

i dont know.. dropping the mag name in all reality all of the ule parts have fought off the mag hatters very well.. i espically love it when i stick my finger in my breach then say can your mechanical do that!!! with my x-mag coming i hope to change alot of beliefs about agd and with the start of an all agd team here in vegas that should help as well.. in the mean time the problem with tourney teams that they will shoot and hype who ever gives them the best deal..dynasty and sp.. naughty dogs and bob long.. lets face it to the pros the best gun isnt based on performance its based on paychecks and everyone follows the hype thats why agd is different and better they dont pay for the hype.

[slade]

Not really in the grand scheme of things. People haven't really noticed that DeWalt and Black and Decker are the same power tools in a different color and different labeling.

The point is that Black and Decker was able to change their negative connotation through creative marketing. They kept their other line and started a new one at the same time and no one was any the wiser. Honestly if you've walked out onto field with an Old Skool RT recently alot of the newer generation including some of the younger tourney players ask who makes that marker? Even with the tell tale Mag looking valve it is different than what they are used to.

Another example is TIDE laundry detergent. Have you ever noticed that they almost always advertise it as "The New TIDE"?

How many things can they really change? It is soap for goodness sakes. What they do is slap a color scheme on the box and call it new. Same concept. Tom's theory has been the same in many respects lately. Notice how the Mag name has been removed from all of the valves? Notice how there are no Mags advertised? Just the TacOne and RT Custom. They are still the same great products with a different name and packaging.

sorry, but i think power tools and detergent are too different from paintball to make an analogy. with paintball, new players will go to a field and rent a gun for the first few times they play. then they might do some research online on paintball guns and then ask someone at the field next time they go what gun they should get. if they looked at mags online, the person at the field may say "dont buy a mag, mags suck!!" and then the kid will get a different gun. i know the first time i mentioned to a ref that i was going to get a mag, he laughed at me. i asked him why, and he said that mags sucked. aparently he had an old 68 classic that he had had for years, and left on the floor and kicked around. my guess would be that he didnt even know about the xvalve, ule parts, or even e/x mags. the only way to deal with this is to get mags out there and show people that mags arent just 68 classics. if you change the name of mags, most likely the people that were uninformed about mags will just start saying "agd sucks". the reason that a name change worked with power tools is that its not a sport. you will almost never see 5 friends get together to go "powertooling". when people are looking for a new powertool, they may ask one of their friends what they have. if they say "black and deacker sucks" then the person will go out and buy from dewalt without knowing its made by black and deacker. since its not a hobby that people are obsessed with, the person will not spend any time to find who makes dewalt. either that or the person will not ask anyone, just go to the store at random, and buy a dewalt power tool, and then find out it works well, and recomend it to other people. almost no one will ever just go to a store and buy a paintball gun at random, especially a high end mag. so the only way to end the negative image of mags is to show them newer mags, and what they really can do.

[shivors]

Screw it....I am just going to use MIND BULLETS!

[RenagadeOfFunk]

...they are planning to do what they do every night...


....try and take over the world!...

...Techs and the Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom...

(sing with Pink and he Brain theme)

[Eric Cartman]

sigh, just erased all I wrote...

basically, AGD messing with the scenario crowd will help create a base of support for the TAC ONE. After AGD's rep is reborn in the scenario area, a new tourney marker will be more feasible, if/when one is made.

The scenario market is probably a better deal than going after a major tourney team to sponsor because I would think a scenario team would not cost as much to sponsor, and a scenario team would actually be able to interact with more people more often and allow these people who are not familiar with AGD or their products an opportunity to shoot them/learn about them before judging them.

I agree. Why waste time and huge amounts of money going up against a negative mindset and companies like WDP and SP? Why not try to dominate in the largest area of paintball - rec ball and scenario? If AGD can dominate in these areas, it will give them a very large fan base and greater financial stability, enabling to re-enter the tourney scene some time down the road with a huge impact. If the tourney scene's still not ready to embrace the new AGD, then screw 'em. The vast majority of paintball players will never play in a tournament anyway. TK'll do just fine dominating the rest of the paintball scene.

[shivors]

Speaking as someone who just recently learned more about the Automag, the image I had coming into this forum was that the Automag was a reliable marker but it was relatively unattractive and behind the techno curve.

I rarely ever saw the new AGD upgrades at the few fields I play at so naturally my view was based on the older gear that I did see. Of course seeing the new parts and what you guys have been building I see what AGD is all about.

Personally, I think that in order to jump into different markets that AGD needs to release an entirely new marker. In order to keep their loyal customer base they would need to continue the Mag/ULE product line but create a new marker outside the box. In my opinion AGD can make all the mods or upgrades in the world but it is still a Mag and they have an unfortunate and inaccurate reputation of being inefficient paint blenders.

I dont think I have ever seen anyone blast AGD for quality so a new marker could possibly be introduced and gain popularity quickly.

[WARPED1]

i disagre with TK about hideing from the turny scean because the only way to get the "Mags suck" thing out of the way is to push in and show em how its done Mag style. ppl mainly say that because there ignorant as hell and aren't pashinet enough to give something a try. so to TK i say: Get more into the turny scean! Don't back away then they will think your a sissy and will just hate you more. I've been in thease situations trust me. People at my school didn't like my mag when i first got it but then as i let em give it a try (a coupple of shots on it) they backed off of it. so push onto the turny more there ain't many ppl on the turny scean with mags so put your name out there more. get Pride, Lock n' Load, Kids, ect out there more thats the only way to stop all the comoashion. Because the last thing we all need is for AGD to go out of bisness because of low sales. you have to get your name out there Tom! Don't woss out stay strong and do what you have to to get your name out!

Please stay in school. It hurt reading your spelling. But I agree with Tom. Definately come out with new name! Biring baxck "Panther".
scene, patient, tourney, wus

[Cyberious]

sorry, but i think power tools and detergent are too different from paintball to make an analogy. with paintball, new players will go to a field and rent a gun for the first few times they play. then they might do some research online on paintball guns and then ask someone at the field next time they go what gun they should get. if they looked at mags online, the person at the field may say "dont buy a mag, mags suck!!" and then the kid will get a different gun.

And would a professional construction worker do any different? Wouldn't he talk to his co-workers and make his decision artially on their input?

i know the first time i mentioned to a ref that i was going to get a mag, he laughed at me.

Show up on a jobsite with a Black and Decker tool and I suspect you'd get the same reaction.

since its not a hobby that people are obsessed with, the person will not spend any time to find who makes dewalt. either that or the person will not ask anyone, just go to the store at random, and buy a dewalt power tool, and then find out it works well, and recomend it to other people. almost no one will ever just go to a store and buy a paintball gun at random, especially a high end mag. so the only way to end the negative image of mags is to show them newer mags, and what they really can do.

Your right it isn't a hobby, it is their means to put food on the table and to support their hobbys.

Showing new mags has been done (mainly the EMag and XMag). I've put my XMag in the hands of many folks, even let them play a game with it. I still hear Mags Suck out of some of their mouths. I heard it out of the mouth of a guy who worked in a shop and uses a DM4. So I let him try my X-Mag. He was clearly faster with the X-Mag and all he could say was that it was OK but he still thinks Mags suck. It is all about perception and peoples opinion.

By and large humans as a species do not like to find out their opinions are wrong. You can even prove it to them and the still won't like to admit it. It puts them into a state called cognitive dissonance. Meaning that even though they have been proven wrong, their mind still wants to believe that they were right.

[stip]

Ok, first at all hello to everybody, it's my first msg in this forum. Then, as I am living in France, my english is very bad ... sorry. :o

So, I've got a mag for 6 or 7 years, and I recently buy an X-valve, ULT etc...
But the only way to buy this kind of stuff is to buy via AGD on-line shop ! NO MORE SHOP in France distribute any agd markers/parts etc ...
And when I play with or when I say " I've got an Automag ", everybody answer : " you still play with this kind of marker ?! This marker still exist ? What is this marker, there is no electronic, he sucks !! bla bla bla ..... " !
Even one of the older firm in France who distributed AGD product say : " Automag WAS a pretty cool gun, but today he's dead ! AGD didn't know innovate ! You'd better buy an electro (specially DM4 or E-Blade / Cocker...).

Personnaly, I've already thought to buy an electro (before buy Xvalve), but I definitively prefer my Mag. His look, his simplicity, his quality .....

So I guess AGD should keep automag name, continue to make great upgrade (xvalve, LVL10) for him, BUT their should create an completly new gun (electro of course !). To compete with the other (Dye, WGP...).

And finaly, their should think about other contries, like France (and Europe in general).

L8r