What is AGD doing in the future?

[Blazestorm]

Definately... that or limit paint.

I miss the days when tournies were about who was the better player and who made the smarter move... not who can shoot the fastest or convince the ref the best.

Mech Tournies

[Miscue]

Definately... that or limit paint.

I miss the days when tournies were about who was the better player and who made the smarter move... not who can shoot the fastest or convince the ref the best.

Mech Tournies

I found it more enjoyable when we were all using mechs, back in the day. Electros are cool - in a way it brings new stuff to the game, but it also takes things away.

[BlackVCG]

Blah... Blah... Blah. I'm sure there's some small following of auto-racers out there that think all these electronic shift controls in F1 racing is taking away from the sport and auto-racing should go back to manual shifting.

The simple fact is, as long as the consumers have the money to buy the technology, engineers will keep innovating new technology that will change the way we play our sports.

I'd be willing to put money down that you'll never see mech-only tournies in any NPPL, PSP or other high-end tournament series. We're just going to need to produce mech guns that are as fast and easy to shoot as electros and they will slowly take over a portion of the market.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

call "it", well..whatever "it" ends up being...call it the Panther...nuff said. (and claps for those that even know why I picked that name).

[rx2]

I would also think that the Panther name would serve well, if revived. Paintball history buffs would probably pick up on it, and the average buyer would most likely never equate it with Automags, thus serving two-fold in your scheme.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

I only posted a thread on this six months ago...but then again I was never cool at the right time in real life either..

[sporty86]

Mech only, that kind of talk is why people make fun of mag owners.

[thei3ug]

I say ditch the spring return.

[NoFearPaintballer]

why not just a AGD airgun for a name

[DiRTyBuNNy]

umm...nah...Panther would be better...if of course we couldn't call it El Chupacabra...

[LONEWOLFOO1]

I love to get a automag but with so many versions of the mag out right now you are confuseing the crap out of new guys that want your products. i will just wait to see what gun you produce next and me and my friends will buy it.

if somebody new was to get in the game and wanted the latest and high tech gun from agd which one should i tell them to buy now?

Level 10
X-Valve
Intelliframe
ULE Trigger Pull Kit
Y-Grip
ace

there so many options (i am not complaining) it may be a little intimadeting for the first time buyer. i had a friend and call and he said to me what do i need what should i buy? if a new guy feels confused about buying your product chances are they will not.

[player4]

I think that when the hair trigger production begins, agd should advertise their gun saying, "The new generation of automags" This way paintballers would beleive agd has made a new gun, when in reality the gun will be a mag with the new trigger.

The gun would be interesting too if agd stated all of the mags features:

*( first of all the mag in the advertisment would be a mag with the hair trigger, dye sticky threes, a karta body, and agd would create a more attratice, sleeker foregrip. For the looks of course.)
*26 pbs capable with no measureable shot down
*(list weight.)
*(list the trigger pull, which might be different than right now)
*mechanical trigger frame (then give some detail about how relible the mags are, and how their water resistant and can be shot under water. Some details like that)
*some more attractive details

If agd would advertise their guns as being "the new generaton" maybe paintballers would give the new mag a try; especially at the awesome low prices

just my two cents

[DiRTyBuNNy]

I think that when the hair trigger production begins, agd should advertise their gun saying, "The new generation of automags" This way paintballers would beleive agd has made a new gun, when in reality the gun will be a mag with the new trigger.

The gun would be interesting too if agd stated all of the mags features:

*( first of all the mag in the advertisment would be a mag with the hair trigger, dye sticky threes, a karta body, and agd would create a more attratice, sleeker foregrip. For the looks of course.)
*26 pbs capable with no measureable shot down
*(list weight.)
*(list the trigger pull, which might be different than right now)
*mechanical trigger frame (then give some detail about how relible the mags are, and how their water resistant and can be shot under water. Some details like that)
*some more attractive details

If agd would advertise their guns as being "the new generaton" maybe paintballers would give the new mag a try; especially at the awesome low prices

just my two cents

I can't disagree more highly with what you say...when the hAir is released it shouldn't mention AGD or Automags at all....what most people on here seem to be myopic about is that the rest of the paintball world thinks that "Automag = junk". I would take your initial statement and reword it as "The New Generation of Semi-Auto Paintmarkers"...

[rx2]

Agreed with above - Tom's belief, and it is one that has been proven over and over, is that no matter what he does to change the stigma of the Mag, it will ALWAYS be there. It doesn't matter how many things change, or how much he tries to beat it into the heads of those who still don't get it. You could probably have a completely different setup, but, with the Mag name, the stigma would remain. Drop the name, and drop the stigma, or so it is in theory. Actually, I wonder if even the AGD badge would have to change in order to really get people with a low opinion of Mags to try one of Tom's markers, although I am not one of those people, so I don't know how far they take it. Only time will tell.

[Jaremy Rykker]

Keep it up TK!

But why keep the main momentum going at the tournament market like that. The thing that really sold me on AGD was that they were the only ones in the entire market who used logic and reasoning in their marketing (excluding a few things Tippmann has done). Everybody else throws out "x regulator outperforms y regulator" or "a barrel has more range than b barrel," but they don't have their own Deep Blue forum to discuss these sort of very technical issues, especially including the low pressure setups which aren't really the advantage they are claimed as. So, the fact that AGD really cared about the actual fundamentals of paintball rather than the rhetoric and latest craze really impressed me. It might not impress every hot young gunslinger who wants to go out and blast away with his supposedly 30 BPS fully automatic paintball marker, but I've really been impressed by the intellect showen here, as well as the fact that Tom Kaye is very active in the forums and takes advice from his consumers.

Secondly, although I understand that you tournament players want to keep your automags up, I'd personally recommend that TK focuses on a single team that continues to perform, and keep a line of tourney automags or whatever new name they come to bear. Kamikaze isn't a bad name, although I dislike Deathwind because it bears to much resemblance to what plagues paintball's public relations (death, violence, guns).

Instead of trying to continue in the tourney market, which is honestly fairly small in paintball, I would recommend that AGD enters the rec-ball and scenario market. It is a very big market, and scenario events which have grown rapidly regularly draw hundreds of people. Big games as well typically draw hundreds, and these are fairly common (as in my area which isn't that big yet, we have at least 5-6 throughout the summer that I intend to go to). AGD could enter this market, sponsor several AGD teams which would generally be 5-10 man teams to use their markers and require them to wear perhaps some AGD shoulder patch on their camoflauge, which should be matching to distinguish them as a unit(perhaps MARPAT or Tigerstripe as it looks pretty sweet). Scenario players generally get a lot of first hand contact with the other players at events as compared to speedball, and as such would provide a great venue for advertising your products. Honestly, as much as Tourney paintball has people who spend a ton, it is a very competitive market with a ton of competing products, and would not be nearly as profitable as the scenario market which is rapidly growing and lacks much competition (excluding Tippmann).

So, keep up on all your doing AGD.