Mag user... Not very happy (lvl 10 ruins)

[OysterBoy]

I think he was talking about his carriers and how hes on the smallest size. What will he do?

This thread is one of the many reasons that I plan to LX and ULT my classic and be done with buying valves. I will never need more then 16bps. Is the RT more efficient? I havent heard anything to prove this.

[cledford]

The carrier is only to control the size of the power tube oring. Each carrier size reduces the inside diameter of the oring by incrementally squeezing it tighter. As the power tube oring wears material is worn away, requiring a decrease in carrier size to make up for the difference (the worn oring needs to be squeezed more to seal) once you run out of carriers and get a leak the power tube oring is completely worn out and needs to be replaced. I believe with the current LX/Xvalve kits you get 3 power tube orings (2 for certain) after that they cost 1 dollar from the Airgun online store. When starting out with a newly replaced oring you go back up to carrier #2 (at least) and possibly #2.5. This give you at least 5 steps (carriers: #2, 1.5, 1, .5, 0) until you need to replace the power tube oring again.

Also, with regard to ULT on the classic - I wouldn't waste the time. I know several *claim* to have it working decently - but I've watched Rob_AGD struggle to get one working and he is a preeminent AGD tech, it is not easy, not very stabile (IMHO), and not recommended. For the most part the few I've seen in person that were "working" were WAY to easy to short stroke in my opinion. That may be because I have a RT based mech that was a ULT in it and it works much better - but who knows.

-Calvin

[davidnj]

4000 shots seems like a very very low amount to have to tune your level 10 at. What spring are you using? Ive put over 40k shots thru two level 10 mags without having to change anything yet. Try out with a different spring maybe. If you still have issues then I guess all I can say is keep your carriers organized by size so you can quickly swap the new one you need out.

btw what is your marker doing at around 4000 shots? Leaking down the barrel? Bolt stick? Something else? Maybe somebody will recognize what your issue is if you give a few more details as to what the exact problem is at ~4k shots. Also how many shims and what carrier are you using currently?

Dont mean to pick one thing out, you did mention your post was directed towards other threads also. Fine, that old mag might have worked fine every time with a drop of oil. It may have had some chop issues, it may not have. If you decide to go buy a lvl X kit or a whole new mag that has lvl X in it and all of a sudden find yourself with something that needs some tuning, guess what? You no longer have a lvl 7 bolt you have a lvl 10 bolt and tinkering is the price you pay for no more\reduced chops. If you want that out of the box and on the field with a drop of oil and 0 tinkering, go get a mag with level 7.

Go buy a Honda\Nissan\Ford\etc for that drive in the country if you dont want to tinker with it. Don't drop in a nitrous kit, flowmaster cat back, cold air intake, etc and not expect some initial work and fine tuning down the road. Dont put a performance enhancing part in that car if you want to keep that 'out of the lot and onto the street' sorta idea. Same with a stereo. Go buy a reciever and CD player and some spearkers. It'll work just fine. But don't add an amp and equalizer and not expect to have to do some initial work and fine tuning as you listen to your music.

Same with a mag. Dont go upgrading things if you dont like the idea of having to tinker with it and possibly fine tune it at a later date (ie leave it on the shelf like you did) At least imo. :P

Ive done level 10 setups on 3 markers now. If you go back and look thru my posts my first time was a horrible experience. Probably 3 hours+ to get it in and tuned. However, hehe, had I been paying attention it would have been 10 minute jobs like the other 2. I had my ULE body ball detent in too tight and it was stopping the bolt making me think I had to change shims\carriers.