whitewolf airsmithing...

[White Wolf]

Maggle exactly what should i be apologizing for? the one that broke this "contract" was the customer. What I promised to deliver was a first class anodizing job for a good price, it was explained that ther was "NO TIME FRAME" on ano jobs and there would be no response to emails about when the job was to be completed. This process was broken by the customer not me.

If you are naieve enough to think this kind of thing only happens in the PB industry you obviously lead a very sheltered life. In most all my dealings in other areas of custom work where i have been a customer when some one tells me there is no time frame i believe them, I let them do there job. Dealing with "artistic" people will never and should never be like calling some outsourced Indian Microsoft tech, even from that analogy its obvious you have never called microsoft for tech support.

Most of these problems seem to stem from inexperiance to how things work, which happens much more in the PB indusrty as it it driven by the under 18 crowd.

[magman007]

Oh my Maggerlock, you make me ashamed to be an Aoer. Look, CUSTOM WORK TAKES TIME! Ask Manike How long he has been waiting on his custom pgp's from Doc Nickel? A good couple of years il tell you that.

The consumer in this deal, should have noticed the no time frame clause, and went some where else. places like MAX anno, will turn around very fast, and for that fact, it costs a butt load more.


GET OVER IT. LEVE WW alone, he is getting the marker, and returning it. This thread is over, and you should get over it. it isnt your marker, so let it go.


Damn ignorant people

WW. I offer an appology on my behalf, as i would not like to be associated with Ao'ers like this. If ao has given you a sour taste, please, exclude my self from that taste, and the others that have stuck up for you.

thanks

-Bill

[cockermongol]

But again, you are completely missing the point. I don't have a problem with the time frame on SOME work, and that is not the issue of this thread as it was oringonally posted. The problem I have is that WW refuses to talk to this kid, then gets on here an moans about his business and how hard it is. Even you, who seems to have serious comprehension problems, can admit that not responding to an email denoting one's change of address is unacceptable. Furthermore, rather than appologizing or attempting to at least end the discussion with civility, WW's answer to the issue is to return the marker with or without the work done, then boast how public negative feedback is good for his business. Now that's mature, don't you think?

Now THAT is the problem at hand, gentlemen. No one here denies the fact that custom work takes time, and if you're going to get custom work done you will be expected to wait.

BUT THE WAIT IS NOT THE PROBLEM, PEOPLE! The problem is that people like WW can spend 20 minutes reading a 4-page thread and responding to it, but can't take two minutes to acknowledge the change of address of a customer. I think that is ABSOLUTE CRAP. It's not like you're working 24/7... you've already said you just send the guns out to be annoed elsewhere... So, explain to me WHY you seem to be TOO BUSY to answer a simple e-mail telling you about a change of address?

Maggle exactly what should i be apologizing for? the one that broke this "contract" was the customer. What I promised to deliver was a first class anodizing job for a good price, it was explained that ther was "NO TIME FRAME" on ano jobs and there would be no response to emails about when the job was to be completed. This process was broken by the customer not me.

He didn't ask when the job was going to finish (though I wouldn't doubt he wondered). He simply wanted you to acknoledge the fact that he was going to have A CHANGE OF ADDRESS. CAN YOU NOT GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL?

Oh my Maggerlock, you make me ashamed to be an Aoer. Look, CUSTOM WORK TAKES TIME! Ask Manike How long he has been waiting on his custom pgp's from Doc Nickel? A good couple of years il tell you that.

The consumer in this deal, should have noticed the no time frame clause, and went some where else. places like MAX anno, will turn around very fast, and for that fact, it costs a butt load more.


GET OVER IT. LEVE WW alone, he is getting the marker, and returning it. This thread is over, and you should get over it. it isnt your marker, so let it go.


Damn ignorant people

You OBVIOUSLY cannot read, and know nothing of what you're talking about, and you call HIM ignorant? Look in the mirror, bud. While time is a concern, it is not the REASON this has been one big blowup. The primary dilemma is the LACK OF COMMUNICATION. And NOT about time frames, about a SIMPLE, NECESSARY question regarding a change of address.

[CoolHand]

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

cockermongol, i appreciate that, its basically everything ive been trying to say. I mod x-boxes and even do a little work on guns myself but I assure you that I stay in contact with my customers, Im not saying Im as big or as overloaded with work as whitewolf but I do know what its like somewhat. really I would have been totally satisfied with a e-mail at least once a month (is that asking to much?) to just tell me whats going on. also whitewolf does state that you dont pay him till ano completion, but if he has possesion of my $900 gun is that not just as bad as paying him before... it seems like the same thing to me.

I PM'ed WW about the situation at hand and if he responds we can just let this thing die down.

but just a Q... if the gun is at the anodizers, shouldnt the wait from now on be minimal?

[Magglerock]

Now THAT is the problem at hand, gentlemen. No one here denies the fact that custom work takes time, and if you're going to get custom work done you will be expected to wait.

BUT THE WAIT IS NOT THE PROBLEM, PEOPLE! The problem is that people like WW can spend 20 minutes reading a 4-page thread and responding to it, but can't take two minutes to acknowledge the change of address of a customer. I think that is ABSOLUTE CRAP. It's not like you're working 24/7... you've already said you just send the guns out to be annoed elsewhere... So, explain to me WHY you seem to be TOO BUSY to answer a simple e-mail telling you about a change of address?


He didn't ask when the job was going to finish (though I wouldn't doubt he wondered). He simply wanted you to acknoledge the fact that he was going to have A CHANGE OF ADDRESS. CAN YOU NOT GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL?


You OBVIOUSLY cannot read, and know nothing of what you're talking about, and you call HIM ignorant? Look in the mirror, bud. While time is a concern, it is not the REASON this has been one big blowup. The primary dilemma is the LACK OF COMMUNICATION. And NOT about time frames, about a SIMPLE, NECESSARY question regarding a change of address.

Nothing more to add to this. Several of you folks clearly have difficulty comprehending the written word. I understand local communicty college classes offer remedial courses for people just like you. I would suggest looking into it. WW says he'll do the job, doesn't, and refuses to provided a status on the work. That's poor service, and its pathetic that you would rush to his defence over some poor kid who's been stuck, waiting, wishing he could get his marker back and go play. Now, not only will the kid be getting his marker back at somewhere around the 20th week mark, but it may or may not be done. But you're right, Mag007 or whatever you name is, its not WW, its the kid's. How dare he have the audacity to expect the man who has his proporty to provide a one-sentence email regarding its status. String him up, I say. Much better to gang up on a kid than expect an adult to behave as such. And you're ashamed of me?

[Magglerock]

Now, I've done business with Coolhand. He responded to email, and when asked about custom work, he told me whether or not he could do it. In fact, I could be wrong, but I think it says on his site he isn't accepting anymore work at the moment do to what he has already committed to. He is responsive and honest, and won't take work he can't handle. Good guy, good work, good smith.

A word to the folks attacking me because I stuck up for a kid who has had his market held hostage. What, exactly, is your point? How can you possibly defend such practices? Are you such sheeple that anyone associated with this board gets a pass because they happen to be associated with the board? The kid didn't read or assumed that WW's disclaimer wouldn't extend to nearly half a year's wait for what should be - at the most - a six week affair. But you know what? That didn't mean that WW can keep his marker until he feels like returning it. It didn't mean that WW could cut all communication until he got around to doing the work. He should have responded to simple questions - not flames or threats - with a simple answer. Custom work takes time, sure, and we should all be patient. But there comes a point where patiences runs thin, and in this case rightly so. Your blind defense of someone because of their relationship to this board is the reason AO gets branded a cult.

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

a couple things to be noted,

Im 18, (not sure if u consider me a kid or not, but i think im old enuff to know whats going on with my own marker, seing as I aligned the whole deal, and payed for it with my hard earned money.)

I didnt e-mail whitewolf everyday, every 2 days, or even every week. I kinda gave up checking on my gun assuming that whitewolf didnt like telling his customers whats going on.

I have a back up gun ive been playing with so im not tottaly out of paintball, but I have had to sit out a couple tournaments in the past 4 or so months..

I didnt expect the ano to be done in 3 weeks, or else I would have never gone with him in the first place, I know good things take time and I was willing to wait. what i was not willing to do was to be excommunicated from the person my had my hard eaned money (in the form of an e-mag)

If someone was doing custom work to a car that you had saved up and worked very hard for, even tho you had a uglier slower backup car, you would still feel pretty pissed if they didnt let you know what was going on at least once a month (is that asking too much?)

[Magglerock]

a couple things to be noted,

If someone was doing custom work to a car that you had saved up and worked very hard for, even tho you had a uglier slower backup car, you would still feel pretty pissed if they didnt let you know what was going on at least once a month (is that asking too much?)

Its not too much, and the few cult freaks on this board who tell you otherwise are dillusional. Good luck; I would be shocked if - after all this - you didn't get your marker back soon. Too bad it probably won't be anno'ed.

[Magglerock]

i.e unlimited time frame, the craptastical basis of your argument.


You can not wait for the best, you dont desrve it!

gt

The only thing that's "craptastic" around here is your reading comprehension. Yeah, the time-frame is rediculous, and yeah, he has a "disclaimer" warning of it, but what is really outrageous is his inability to answer an email that had NOTHING to do with the project, followed by his responses to this thread. I'm just trying to help another 'baller get his marker back. What are you doing, besides being an *** (something you seem to do with frequency around here)?

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

Its not too much, and the few cult freaks on this board who tell you otherwise are dillusional. Good luck; I would be shocked if - after all this - you didn't get your marker back soon. Too bad it probably won't be anno'ed.

well yeah, it will suck to wait for almost 5 months as if you were lending it away. If its at the anodizers the wait should be short, I will wait longer, I just need to hear something about my gun... thats all... but i will tell you I wont cry if he sends it back now, ill just go to max and pay extra cause at this point I dont give a crap

[FooTemps]

Maggelrock... just wondering... but have you read any of my posts?

Yes, I do defend WW and Doc and Pun (the customisers who don't respond to emails (but pun does have a forum he posts updates on)). And yes, I do agree that they should respond to emails. But you can't always get things like that. Do you know why? There is always the few that screw things up for everybody else. I've been trying to say this the whole time.

It's stupid that WW and such customizers don't respond to certain emails.

It's stupid that some people bug the hell out of WW and etc

It's stupid that they made a policy that they don't respond because of the people who bug the hell out of them.

It's all a stupid cycle. Maybe if one party stopped being stupid, the other one would too.

It's not about what they should do. You can't always stay on the right path or idea. If you could, marxism/communism would be a great goverment system and there would be world peace, no hunger, and widespread joy.

Edit: YES, THEY OUGHT TO RESPOND TO EMAILS so don't say I'm wrong because I'm agreeing with you. I'm just pointing out the problem so maybe we could come up with a constructive solution.

[vf-xx]

Maggerlock I think you need to calm down. You seem to be taking this too personally and whether you realize it or not, you're being quite offensive.

I agree with your overall point. Communication is key. I'll not get into it here, but if you want my opinion its been posted in the recent thread on Doc Nickel.

[GT]

The only thing that's "craptastic" around here is your reading comprehension.

Yeah, the time-frame is rediculous, and yeah, he has a "disclaimer" warning of it,

hhhhhmmmmmmmmm.................

I'm just trying to help another 'baller get his marker back.

So lets summarize this whole debate, forgive me since I waited so long to flame

- Aliens sends marker in
- Aliens does not receive any communication for a period of 13-14 weeks. Of course there are these two great quotes, from the customer, which are grossly in error:

I believe 13 weeks is more than enough time

and

should I consider this theft?

- Aliens then posts here on AO. The cool thing that happened after he posted is that people who have done business with WW in the past simply state that this is normal for him, and further state what is on his webpage, in full public view, which aliens should know about

If its at the anodizers the wait should be short, I will wait longer

Does anyone find this just a bit ironic? Maybe we should have done this from the start Aliens?

What are you doing, besides being an *** (something you seem to do with frequency around here)?

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

Does anyone find this just a bit ironic? Maybe we should have done this from the start Aliens?

well I didnt know where it was at the start, no communication. hell i figure he still had it sitting in the box all wrapped up on his tv or something.

If it is at the ano company for real, then I have no problem waiting. I just dont see why he couldnt tell me that, none of this would even be here if he had sent a couple e-mails to me.