whitewolf airsmithing...

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

and i do belive I posted everything I've needed to, just because someone comes and reemphasizes my opinion you claim i dont speak for my self... I could easily say the same to you, why not let whitewolf talk for himself instead of you all defending him.

just so everyone knows, he claimed it would be shipped out monday through a pm. not done, stripped from the line. I have no problem with this, and I think this thread should Die unless I dont get it back within a week.

[cockermongol]

So who are you going to have ano it now?

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

So who are you going to have ano it now?

http://www.maxanodizing.com

[tyrion2323]

Wow. This is still going on?

Hrmph. Well, it looks like the AO cult is at it again, stifling any dissension in the ranks. Of course! If you disagree with the big guys, you're automatically naive (NOT Naieve...) or impatient. Only on AO is it okay to piss all over some kid who hasn't heard word from the guy with his marker. 18 weeks merits a freakin email response, especially if you can somehow find the time to read this darned thread.

It is funny, though, that there are people trying to push the idea that taking on more work than you can handle and not communicating with your customers denotes good business skills.

Let me say it again: if you can't handle communicating with customers, you shouldn't offer your services. This doesn't mean calling them every day or emailing them every day. It's a simple short email every week or so detailing progress on the marker. If you can't handle spending an hour corresponding with your clients each week, then you've taken on too much work.

And please, please stop comparing this to waiting for an XMag. It's not even close to similar. AGD continued to field emails and phone calls and posted on the internet about how things were going.

[GT]

Wow. This is still going on?

Hrmph. Well, it looks like the AO cult is at it again, stifling any dissension in the ranks. Of course! If you disagree with the big guys, you're automatically naive (NOT Naieve...) or impatient. Only on AO is it okay to piss all over some kid who hasn't heard word from the guy with his marker. 18 weeks merits a freakin email response, especially if you can somehow find the time to read this darned thread.

sorry man your wrong,
his webpage stats excatly what he provides inregards to service, i.e. little to no email response. If you are unsure of what that means then maybe you should take your buisness elsewhere. This has nothing to do with who is who on AO, rather who can read...

[tyrion2323]

Actually, I'm not.

I completely understand his policy. He doesn't give time limits and doesn't respond to emails asking about the status of projects. I'm not arguing that. However, that's not what the email was about... It was a notification of change of address. It then escalated into a lack of willingness to respond to a customer who wanted his property back. Not only is that irresponsible, it's criminal.

And yes, AO is just as much driven by hegemony as PBNation. If you disagree with the "big guys," you will inexorably be verbally beaten down. Watch and see what happens when someone expresses dissatisfaction with (1) AGD (2) Automags or (3) Scenarios/Woodsball. A bunch of old school a**holes come out and punish them for "buying into the hype," or "being young and inexperienced," or "being a 15 year old with a Timmy." Don't try to deny it - it happens every freakin' day.

sorry man your wrong,
his webpage stats excatly what he provides inregards to service, i.e. little to no email response. If you are unsure of what that means then maybe you should take your buisness elsewhere. This has nothing to do with who is who on AO, rather who can read...

Perhaps it's not a question of who can read, but of who can spell. Or use the English language with at least an elementary understanding of its innerworkings.

Yowch!

[EDIT] Oh, and I DO take my business somewhere else. I use Fear Factory Customs. He's got better prices, better communication and a better overall attitude than Captain Wolf. We make contact at least once a week regarding my Omen, which is currently getting overhauled. I'm not revealing the Omen yet, but I can tell you that it's getting a full work over for less than the price of a single color gloss at WW's. His time frame: 1 month.

If anyone else is interested in custom work, talk to me about it or check out his website: www.fearfactorypb.elementpaintball.us

[minion450]

hmm

I came online to find help about WWA and found this thread. I sent my LED Angel to TAG to be disassembled then sent to him for anodizing in the end of April. I have been e-mailing him and calling TAG to get in touch with him for the past month and he doesn't answer either of us, until recently. "Still at the anodizer." This is what he sends. Same answer he gave me back on June 12th. I had friends get stuff anoed and it took about 3-4 weeks. I bought a Karta body that needed to be anoed and that took about 2 maybe 3 weeks. How could I possibly be happy about this? Why would I want to pay for this? Why would he take more work on if he is that busy, not even notification that he is this busy and it could take this long?

[splat15k]

I just wanted to let it be known that Joe (whitewolf) emailed me last night and it seems that everything is cool now.

[evan123]

For those of you complaining about a timeframe, check out www.maxanodizing.com

Now, grant it it's not as good as WW nor as cheap but it's fast.

Sorry but Max's anno owns everyones out there. They do the most incredible annos sometime and i highly doubt WW can touch Max in anno.

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

wow seems this thread put some fire under his a$$ to communicate with his customers.

[Empyreal Rogue]

Sorry but Max's anno owns everyones out there. They do the most incredible annos sometime and i highly doubt WW can touch Max in anno.

I still thing WW's Ano is best. Well, his Dust Finish is better than anywhere else I've ever seen. Including MAX's and Fear Factory Customs. The only thing pushing me away is his lack of communication. If he changes his policies in the next few weeks I'll definitely do business with him but until then, it's probably MAX.

[Magglerock]

Actually, I'm not.

I completely understand his policy. He doesn't give time limits and doesn't respond to emails asking about the status of projects. I'm not arguing that. However, that's not what the email was about... It was a notification of change of address. It then escalated into a lack of willingness to respond to a customer who wanted his property back. Not only is that irresponsible, it's criminal.

And yes, AO is just as much driven by hegemony as PBNation. If you disagree with the "big guys," you will inexorably be verbally beaten down. Watch and see what happens when someone expresses dissatisfaction with (1) AGD (2) Automags or (3) Scenarios/Woodsball. A bunch of old school a**holes come out and punish them for "buying into the hype," or "being young and inexperienced," or "being a 15 year old with a Timmy." Don't try to deny it - it happens every freakin' day.



Perhaps it's not a question of who can read, but of who can spell. Or use the English language with at least an elementary understanding of its innerworkings.

Yowch!

[EDIT] Oh, and I DO take my business somewhere else. I use Fear Factory Customs. He's got better prices, better communication and a better overall attitude than Captain Wolf. We make contact at least once a week regarding my Omen, which is currently getting overhauled. I'm not revealing the Omen yet, but I can tell you that it's getting a full work over for less than the price of a single color gloss at WW's. His time frame: 1 month.

If anyone else is interested in custom work, talk to me about it or check out his website: www.fearfactorypb.elementpaintball.us

OH SNAP! "Can I get an 'amen'"

[GT]

Watch and see what happens when someone expresses dissatisfaction with (1) AGD (2) Automags or (3) Scenarios/Woodsball. A bunch of old school a**holes come out and punish them for "buying into the hype," or "being young and inexperienced," or "being a 15 year old with a Timmy." Don't try to deny it - it happens every freakin' day.

Perhaps it's not a question of who can read, but of who can spell. Or use the English language with at least an elementary understanding of its innerworkings.

I love these shots! You know your argument lacks substance so you rely on grammar and spelling errors to decrease the validity of my statement.

[FooTemps]

Oh god just quit arguing already, it's reached the point of stupid and pointless.

We can all read that we are making points and we aren't comprehending that we are all trying to make different points! We're arguing about different things people!

Some people here are arguing about customer service and business
Some are arguing about what his policy is
Some are just sititng here trying to point out the problem

JUST SHUT UP! WW is handling the situation already. Quit arguing with each other and trying to boost your ego and e-cool points or whatever.

Tyrion:
Just shut up and appreciate the OG's. I do know that there is cult status in AO but the OG's usually have sense. Those "big guys" that are starting that crap aren't really the BIG GUYS. You should know better yourself since you're acting all high and mighty and above the system. Kult of Kaye all the way!

People show dissatisfaction with AGD so what? AGD has problems, the main one is that they are still a small company that can't keep up with demand. Tom wants it that way. Most of the OG AOers accepted that fact already. I don't see any "big guys" that would actually go out and openly attack someone about it.

Automags have problems. So what's wrong with showing dissatisfaction? The only problem I have with the dissastisfaction is when people are asshats about it.

And I personally dont' care about the woodsball/speedball/scenario debate. Do you know why? It's because all of those are still paintball! Sure, I'll be likely to protect whatever category, but only with the argument that they are all part of the same sport and should be appreciated equally, even if it isn't your style.

Oh yeah, I've been posting longer on AO than you, I should know about the cult status of AO better.

Man... has ao declined... ::sigh::

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

well done foo, lets just end this.