"Mystery Reg" Unveiled

[sneakyhacker420]

yes, thats true, but i wanna see what it looks like with the extender peice on it

[snwbrdr913]

[68magOwner]

I wonder if the test numbers would look any different if they put the "extender" on it (since it looks like it screws in between the body of the gun and the reg itself)?

good point, it is just a tube, but, it means the air has to trave the extra distance of that tube to get it to the marker, and essentially slowing the recharge rate

[Skoad]

[spyder_technician]

Or you could look at it as more air for the marker to draw from. That pressure would drop fast if the area were smaller. I guess if its true about the phenomenal recharge rate you wouldn't worry about that as much, but I still wouldn't trust it.

[Jack & Coke]

good point, it is just a tube, but, it means the air has to trave the extra distance of that tube to get it to the marker, and essentially slowing the recharge rate

Exactly. Maybe it doesn't affect the recharge rate too much, but you'd think that by increasing the volume post reg, it would alter the conditions for recharging a little...?

Also, if it is indeed a pressure vs time graph, then why are all of the other regs dumping their pressure around the same point (low point on the graph), while the Mystery Reg doesn't?

Does that mean the testing conditions are different for each reg during this test?

There is a certain amount of volume of air between the main valve of the gun and the valve of the reg. If this volume is smaller than normal, would the graph indicate a "faster recharge" rate? Conversly, if this volume was larger than normal, wouldn't this graph indicate a "slower recharge rate"?

If each reg tested yields different volumes, then is it really a fair "performance" compairison?

After all, less volume = higher required air pressure to push to ball up to speed. (which is not a bad thing, it's just that the test conditions are different)

I'm not really sure... I'm just thinking off the top of my head (which is pretty jacked right now considering all the turmoil in Lakerland)

[GT]

I thought that a tank would continue to flow, just at a lower pressure. Please correct me if Im wrong, but wasnt butterfingers comparing flow vs recharge? From what I remember, my dynaflow, if set to 800 output, would drop to 600 or something (these arent exact numbers) once the gun is fired, then move up to 800 again, albeit a little slowly. But no matter how fast the gun is fired, it never drops below 600 (high flow). So, the reg is going to see a consistent 600 psi minimum during sustained fire. Now, recharge is still an issue, since my reg is only outputting say 200 psi or whatever into my viking, and therefore the minimum 600 psi output from my tank cannot be a limiting factor.

do you shoot at 20+ bps?

[Steelrat]

LOL, I can hit 20 bps if my gun gives me a helping hand

But again, I believe that its important to constantly strive for improvement in products, and this reg evidently represents an improvement.

[DK1]

Exactly. Maybe it doesn't affect the recharge rate too much, but you'd think that by increasing the volume post reg, it would alter the conditions for recharging a little...?

Not really, after the initial gas up, the volume won't matter. The gun will use the same amount of air regardless of the volume there. Thus, the reg won't need to flow any more air than it would without the extender.


[quote]Also, if it is indeed a pressure vs time graph, then why are all of the other regs dumping their pressure around the same point (low point on the graph), while the Mystery Reg doesn't?[/b]

Possibly it's just that much of a better design.

Does that mean the testing conditions are different for each reg during this test?

I'm pretty sure it was the exact same setup for them all.

There is a certain amount of volume of air between the main valve of the gun and the valve of the reg. If this volume is smaller than normal, would the graph indicate a "faster recharge" rate? Conversly, if this volume was larger than normal, wouldn't this graph indicate a "slower recharge rate"?

I'd figure the opposite. More post regulated air volume, I would think, would lead to the reg not having to react as fast... so it would look like faster recharge when in fact it was just air that had already been regulated.

If each reg tested yields different volumes, then is it really a fair "performance" compairison?

Well, if you're testing the regs as they are used on guns... I think it's as fair as it can get. You don't normally adjust the volume of the regs you use on guns, well, I know I don't anyway.

Them's my bits...

DK1

[127.0.0.1]

my ghetto reg is better.. look at the charts

PFFFT... Your reg OVERPRESSURISES... not good

[Jack & Coke]

Well, if you're testing the regs as they are used on guns... I think it's as fair as it can get. You don't normally adjust the volume of the regs you use on guns, well, I know I don't anyway.

I'm not saying you adjust them... I'm just saying that maybe there's less volume to "recover" than the other regs, so naturally the graph will show a "quicker" recharge curve.

What would the recharge curves look like if you compared a standard "short" reg vs. a 12" long reg?

Maybe the recharge rates of this type of graph are more influenced by the volume of air displaced between the gun's main valve and the reg valve, than any type of "flow" characteristics...? Afterall, the bottle neck of the air flowing into the reg is still the main on/off piston assembly in the reg (which are all about the same size).

[ProX9]

Just Fyi a crossfire tank reg recovers 95% of its original pressure in 10 ms after one shot in an eclipse cocker and a dye throttle took 173 ms to do the exact same thing. Its crazy that the aka reg can match that.

I got the pictures out of a what paintball gear magazine and they tested all the regs on a dyno. the vertical line is the point of 95% recharge. the scale is the same on both graphs and you cant see the dye regs vertical line because it got cut off when i scanned it. the lines which are very hard to see are in 20 ms increments.

[GoatBoy]

PFFFT... Your reg OVERPRESSURISES... not good

It's a good thing that they took care of the mystery reg part, so like others have noticed, now all we need to know are the mystery axes and values!

Until then, I would label the Y axis "bling" which is on a logarithmic scale, and a linear X axis in units of "pimp". In which case, Sig's reg is clearly superior. As your pimpness increases, you can clearly see a greater bling than with the other regs, even at the well documented "bling dropoff point" in the early stages of pimpness.




Good job, SIG! Your reg is teh sex! OMG LOLZ FUGLY! PIMP BLING RASTA A4 PWNAGE 4 EVA RIPZ! BALLAZ!



and uhm...


IT SHOOTS DARTS!

[DK1]

I'm not saying you adjust them... I'm just saying that maybe there's less volume to "recover" than the other regs, so naturally the graph will show a "quicker" recharge curve.

What would the recharge curves look like if you compared a standard "short" reg vs. a 12" long reg?

Maybe the recharge rates of this type of graph are more influenced by the volume of air displaced between the gun's main valve and the reg valve, than any type of "flow" characteristics...? Afterall, the bottle neck of the air flowing into the reg is still the main on/off piston assembly in the reg (which are all about the same size).

I would think that the recharge wouldn't be hurt at all by more volume after the reg. I would guess that it would actually lessen shootdown. The gun should be using basically the same amount of air every shot, regardless of the post-regulator volume. More volume would just mean that the post-reg chamber pressure wouldn't drop as far after a shot.

As for the reg chart itself. The verticle axis represents a total of 200psi. The line the regs are set at is 300psi (the gun's operating pressure), so the bottom of the chart is 125psi, and the top is 325psi. The horizontal distance is 50 milliseconds. Each major gridline accounting for 5ms. The testbed had a solenoid dwell of 13ms.

DK1

[ShaftyMcGee]

all i have to say is they certainly gave it the right name