"Mystery Reg" Unveiled

[joez]

Exactly. Maybe it doesn't affect the recharge rate too much, but you'd think that by increasing the volume post reg, it would alter the conditions for recharging a little...?

Also, if it is indeed a pressure vs time graph, then why are all of the other regs dumping their pressure around the same point (low point on the graph), while the Mystery Reg doesn't?

Does that mean the testing conditions are different for each reg during this test?

There is a certain amount of volume of air between the main valve of the gun and the valve of the reg. If this volume is smaller than normal, would the graph indicate a "faster recharge" rate? Conversly, if this volume was larger than normal, wouldn't this graph indicate a "slower recharge rate"?

If each reg tested yields different volumes, then is it really a fair "performance" compairison?

After all, less volume = higher required air pressure to push to ball up to speed. (which is not a bad thing, it's just that the test conditions are different)

I'm not really sure... I'm just thinking off the top of my head (which is pretty jacked right now considering all the turmoil in Lakerland)

Testing was done under identical conditions. The low point on the graph is where the reg catches up and starts to recharge.. It is the pressure at which that happens. The AKA reg reacts that much faster than the others.

[can'tthink of1]

I was wrong with what I predicted, oh well.

I agree that it is important to strive for excellence in products.

BUT this reg will need to be reasonably priced, otherwise it won't sell because most regs won't give you shoot-down, like my sidewinder, and crossfire tank, and my tribal set at 20bps full auto, I had no shootdown, which is what I hoped, and so this, unless its really really uber consistant, will only give bragging rites to the owner, and its recharge rate though better than others, is just a reason for bragging.

But yet, props to AKA, to bounce back from the dealing with SP and continue to strive for the best

[Army]

After looking at that chart at least 6 times...I couldn't find where they tested against either AGD reg/valve. Hmmm, curious.


Or, do they already know that they really don't have the fastest?

[sneakyhacker420]

AGD doesnt have a standalone RT reg - and a standalone RT reg was what was first thought to be the mystery reg

[sneakyhacker420]

all i have to say is they certainly gave it the right name

LMFAO

[Steelrat]

After looking at that chart at least 6 times...I couldn't find where they tested against either AGD reg/valve. Hmmm, curious.


Or, do they already know that they really don't have the fastest?

Sneakyhacker is right, people were swearing up and down that it was the RT reg, as it blew everything else away. Then TK went on record as saying that it wasnt the RT, and they would not be making a standalone RT.

Any further comparison with the RT reg is pointless, since they cant be used in the same application. Better to compare it against regs that can actually be used against other guns. And they rightly claim that the 2L is better than all those regs. Why try to create an argument where none exists?

[thei3ug]

I wonder if the test numbers would look any different if they put the "extender" on it (since it looks like it screws in between the body of the gun and the reg itself)?

Also, what does the graph indicate? What do the x and y axis represent? ...pressure vs time?

Actually, the larger the post-regulated volume, the less of a pressure drop there tends to be. It's the entire concept behind LPCs in cockers. If you were running High Volume, Low Pressure, and your valve chamber was too small, your reg would end up choking the valve, so you add more volume.

Regulators will always recharge the same, and buffer zones can be pretty important when your reg takes 10 seconds to recharge 90 percent. Not quite as big a deal now, but some of those regs have quite a large post volume. but i consider it part of its performance features, not a makeup for a defect.

Have Blue made these dynos. He used the same setup. I believe it was a tribal, using 300 PSI, same input, muffler...

[11_Mile_TMaster]

I don't know if the extender would affect it, as it comes after the reg, and is essentially just a tube. As for the graph, im pretty sure its pressure vs time. The prevailing opinion for a while as that the "mystery" reg was a standalone RT reg, due to the phenomenal recharge, until Tom Kaye said there was no standalone RT reg.

That sounds like a challenge.

It makes me wonder, though, how difficult it would be to make an Inline reg from an Xvalve, though. Sure, it would be ghetto-tastic, but... Imagine the recharge rate!

... It's begging to be done, now.

Quick, someone get me a spare X-Valve, a rail, and some tapping equipment.

[Butterfingers]

Anybody open this thing up yet.... I would be curious what the internals look like...

[magmonkey]

I will have one here to crack open soon .... I almost know what I will see ...

[FlawleZ]

i never said it didnt matter, i am just saying, once you get to a certian point, it dosent matter...

Agreed.

Sorry this is a bit off topic but, this is the same situation for Electros as well. It doesn't matter what guns are rated at, what they can cycle or shoot, it's how fast you can pull your trigger, and in Semi-Auto mode, I've got money that there are VERY few who can actually pull FASTER than even guns made 3-4 years ago. The Angel LCD was rated 16 BPS. Who can pull their fingers faster than 16 BPS?

[Army]

Stand alone reg, built in reg...so what, they have to do the same job, right?

If they advertise the Mystery Reg as the fastest aftermarket stand alone reg in the world, you would have no comments from me.

But a reg, is a reg, is a reg, is a reg.

Theirs recharges fast, ours recharges fast...theirs works at high pressure, ours works at high pressure...theirs is an addition to an existing design, ours has always been there as part of the design.

Just because the AGD reg is unique in its application, does not make it incomparable to any other, especially when making the claim of the worlds fastest. It's not apples and oranges, it's just another variety of apple.

[nicad]

magmonkey-
I'm pretty sure what it will look like as well. the keyword "balanced" i think says it all.

ps- off topic- are you with destructive customs? If so I have been trying to get ahold of yall on and off since Feburary. :-/

out!

[Steelrat]

Stand alone reg, built in reg...so what, they have to do the same job, right?

If they advertise the Mystery Reg as the fastest aftermarket stand alone reg in the world, you would have no comments from me.

But a reg, is a reg, is a reg, is a reg.

Theirs recharges fast, ours recharges fast...theirs works at high pressure, ours works at high pressure...theirs is an addition to an existing design, ours has always been there as part of the design.

Just because the AGD reg is unique in its application, does not make it incomparable to any other, especially when making the claim of the worlds fastest. It's not apples and oranges, it's just another variety of apple.

I'm guessing the AGD one still might be better, but since it can't be slapped on any other marker, I can't see AKA even thinking of throwing the RT reg into the test. But you are correct, the add does imply that it was better than any other reg, and that isnt strictly true, since the RT isnt in there.

[cledford]

I was one of the guys to originally say that the mystery reg was the RT - until Tom went on record about it not being a AGD product.

Anyhow, this whole time I've been looking at the top of the chart - the part that looks like the end of a RT recharge. Anyhow, looking at the *bottom* I'm wondering why the 2 Liter doesn't completely dump like the other regs in the Haveblue test. As far as I can see it rechrages really fast 0 butthen again it doesn't appear to have hadas far to go...

-Calvin