****Superbolts are Being RECALLED****

[Omicron]

geeze

Minimagman....Thats just not funny.

[MINIMAGMAN]

yeah lol i forgot to add in the masks and jerseys to make it look real

cmon noone can take a joke

[Minimag4me]

i found that kinda funny,

I guess AGD does really make nailguns, haha.

[AGD]

Minimagman,

I would really appreciate it if you would delete that post. This is a very serious subject which does not deserve comedic displays. If you all keep this up it will spiral out of control and you will see 1000 post threads on PBnation about how mags suck and everyone on AO are idiots.


Everyone else,

If you all want to contribute to solving this problem you can stop speculating and doing what if's and wait until we get some facts.

AGD

[shartley]

Agreed.. on BOTH points.

[MINIMAGMAN]

k only for you Tom, and maybe a really hot chick :P but noone else! mags wont get a bad rep, they've been around too long and have too much of a good rep to receive a bad one, but i understand... :o

[marc]

Just a though but mabye there they were all apart of a bad batch that agd didnt check. Like mabye it didnt harden enough or something. Just a thought.

[marc]

Never mind what I just said, I need more sleep and cant think clearly, Im sure AGD knows what its doing, and Im just a person giving them useless sugjestions that they already thought of probably. So I just wana say that im stupid, need to go to bed, and sorry if I upset anyone

[KayleAGD]

I think if you notice there is two different problems with the bolts. First there was the delrin cracking around the end of the bolt face and shooting out. This would mainly cause paint breakage but I don't believe the delrin would come out the barrel very fast. Second is the problem with the bolt Bones was referring to. The superbolts were made with the same process as the regular bolts. The power piston is welded to the outside shell (with some kind of secret elf process). I have seen bolts come apart like this before but never shot out of the gun. Usually the piston moves forward and this causes bolt stick.
In defense of AGD there have been more problems with aftermarket bolts than with the AGD bolts. Many ANS bolts have broken welds too , only thing nobody on this forum got hit by one.

Kayle Malcom

[justinellery]

After careful examination of the picture I would have to say the accident is caused by an incorrect mixture of the alloy used, just kidding ,not sure AGD will learn much from the pic though....I wonder how many times crazy stuff like this has happened in the paintball world and yet the game still exists today. AGD will overcome this trial also.

[MINIMAGMAN]

actually i dont think those kind of accidents happen all too often, from what i know i dont think anyone has died while playing paintball as a result from a gun problem?

[tremis]

Your right. Nobody has died. That doesnt mean the this type of failure hasnt occured before. And some aftermarket bolts are made of some pretty lousy materials. The pro team bolts are horrible in my experiance and I have heard bad things about the ANS. If somebody told me that one of those failed, I'd say " hmmm, figures". I saw a pro team bolt that had no flange on it. I dont know how it happened but it looked like it had been chewed off by a one tooth beaver. I know that their flange is very soft and the sear will screw it up, but this one was gone. Somebody returned it to the PTP booth at IAO 98 I believe. It very well could have been shot out the end. If so though, it wouldnt have been going very fast. A super light paintball only goes 300 fps, that heavy thing wouldnt go near as fast. Not like the time I disassembled a AA nitro system while it was full. The reg nut and spring pack went through my sheetrock ceiling, the piston hit a stud and shot back at the floor. Dont ask me why I did this, it was just stupid. I didnt know what I was doing back then and the guage said zero. This was back before you could buy an N2 system, it was a prototype that AA had sent to Mr paintball in San Diego. They sent a few there to see if there were any Hot weather problems, of course there were none, othere than idiots wanting to see if the inside looked like their mag. Anyway I havent seen a superbolt, but I have heard that the power piston is attached via the same method as a regular bolt. I think the concern is about shooting derlin out the barrel. I cant fathom the power piston coming loose and shooting out like that. Their normal bolt have been so thouroughly used and it never saw it happened to them. For that matter I never saw it happen to a superbolt either. And from what I can tell nobody will see any proof, since the evidence has been disposed of. But then again everybody at home always accuses me of thinking everything is some sort of conspiracy. But, if somebody at a rival manufacturer was behind the whole power piston being shot out story, I wouldn't be suprised. Now I'm not saying that the artist kid that got shot with it is lying, but I always ask myself, when I hear a peice of information " who benifits from this?" usually the answer of that question determines how valid I hold that info. Now, this is a little harder in PB since in my 12 years of playing I have never met more narrow minded group of people in my life. No disrespect intended, but you all have seen the people that will put down anything they dont own or any team they arent on or any player who isnt them. And our beloved sport seems to have a disproportionate amout of these types. So sometimes the misinformation that spreads isnt to benefit someone but to just put somebody else down. Again I'm not saying that this kid was lying, I just haven't made up my mind as to whether or not I am going to believe him. Believe me I am treating no different than anything else I hear. I would be very interested to hear from Tom as to whether he feels there is a problem with the method of attaching the power piston to the body ot the bolt. Since they aren't recalling every bolt they have ever made, I doubt thats it. I got my first mag in 93' and it has the same foamy bolt in it that it cam with. It still looks and works great, I have a hard time believing that AGDs bolts have this problem. My second mag went throug two PTP bolts in one summer, those I would believe. Now as for the derlin, I have no first hand knowledge, but it seems to me that this is the only concern. I think I just convinced myself that until I either see the bolt with the power piston that was shot out or I hear from what I consider a reliable source that it happened, I am going to discount the story as false. Now I am not saying that is IS false, just that I belive it to be false. I used to belive in santa too. As it turns out, some things I belive/dont belive are sometimes wrong. Oh god, I have rambled on for a looong time, sorry.

Tremis

[Temo Vryce]

Bolt Testing...

Now some of you have said that Tom may have rushed through the testing of the new Supper bolts. Personally I can't see that happening. Everything I have ever read about Tom and AGD is that they do the work required before sending out a product. The testing was done, you can count on that, but it was done in a controlled environment. A perfect world if you will. The paintball field we play in is not a perfect world. Something may pass all the test in a lab but fail on the field. That Murphy's law. Secondly some of you are blaming AGD for the problems when you don't even know why the bolts failed. Hey it may have been poor design or poor manufacturing. Or it might have been bad materials and that would make it not Tom's fault. I don't know who is ultimately to blame here. I just know that Tom is doing what needs to be done by issuing a recall. Some say he's doing to protect us, other say he's protecting himself. Me, I say he's doing both. AGD produced a bad product, and now they are paying the piper. We aren't here to judge whether it's Tom's fault or not. We aren't here to judge if he's protecting his but or ours with this recall. We are here to talk about Paintball, share ideas, meet new people and help Tom when he needs our help. We aren't to blame for pushing Tom to ship the bolt too soon because if Tom didn't feel they were ready to ship he wouldn't have shipped them. A few of them broke and now they are being recalled. Any of you watch "Fight Club"? What was Edward Norton's job? He decided whether or not a fault with a car warranted a recall or not, and as he put it he worked for "one of the major companies". Now I know that is was from a movie but think about it, does that job really exist? Tom did what needed to be done. Now instead of trying to point fingers, or decided who's but he's protecting lets send in the bolts and wait patiently for Tom to let us know what went wrong with the bolts. You all know that he will.

Tom I wish you the best of luck with this problem, I hope that you can find a way to redesign the bolt so that they are strong, light and safe.

I'm sure that you have thought of this already but I will post it any ways. Have you thought of put threads on the bolt sleeves? Just an idea. Good luck with the bolts Tom. You're still number 1 with me.

[marc]

tremis, I believe you are wrong, way way long ago some one did die. It was back when masks were not always used. Dont quote me but I did do a report on paintball, and that kept on turning up, I am sure that I saw it. However, what I saw being true is another thing.

[shartley]

I think I just convinced myself that until I either see the bolt with the power piston that was shot out or I hear from what I consider a reliable source that it happened, I am going to discount the story as false. Now I am not saying that is IS false, just that I belive it to be false. I used to belive in santa too. As it turns out, some things I belive/dont belive are sometimes wrong.

If you all want to contribute to solving this problem you can stop speculating and doing what if's and wait until we get some facts.

Sounds like solid thinking to me.

Temo Vryce