2005 Autococker(tm)

[MiniSpdRcr]

How do you know the 3 way is removable?!? Read the article it is intergrated to the ASA. Which in otherwords, it is not removable. So no E-blades or Worr-blades or anything that will make it good.

Right the front block is not removeable, but the 3-way is!!

And since all you change out is the 3-way for the new electronic 3 way, then the NON-removable front block don't mean a thing.

Lets remember that the Eclipse and Nexus cockers both had NON-removable front blocks, yet both came with eblades!

chris geiger

[Banshee23]

Right the front block is not removeable, but the 3-way is!!

And since all you change out is the 3-way for the new electronic 3 way, then the NON-removable front block don't mean a thing.

Lets remember that the Eclipse and Nexus cockers both had NON-removable front blocks, yet both came with eblades!

chris geiger

If you actually spent the time to read the article you would see that the 3-way is integrated into the marker body, so no Eblades...

Also, how is the sport model going to work as it only has a gas thru grip & not a reg? I'm not terribly knowledgable in all thinks cocker related but don't they run at around 400 psi? If this is sold at retail it's going to be used with CO2 which runs alot higher than that, so this would be a HP cocker?

[Spaceman613]

It just mans that the retailer will have to get a lot back in return.... Or the retailer will have to sell an inline to make the gun perform reasonably well.

Looks like they are going after the PMI Piranha. Im a cocker guy, but these look chincy at best. Im glad WGP is getting plenty of good deals from the Asian manufacturers. Also, I hope you dont plan on ever re-annoing one of these, the integrated 4way will leak like crazy after re-anno.

But we all know the kids will buy these like crazy. Personally, I would rather buy a cocker type marker thats made in the US, and made so that you can not only repair it, but replace parts if needed.

[Python14]

wow....ugly

[ZAust]

whats up with the one-and-a-half trigger on the two lower models?

[Maus]

It won't be impossible to mount an electro frame. Sandridge was mounting their solenoids off the regulator for years.

[Wc Keep]

i dont know how i feel about this. on one end of the spectrum i feel that wgp has cheesed out. throwing in the towel to compete against the big boys of the industry. and on the other end is the business end in which they will once again rekindle their fued with agd and battle it out for the scenario games title of best gun.

but it seems that everything that made the autococker the autococker has been taken away. no reg on the low end model, no customization for your own feel, and what is up with that trigger that looks like it was cut in half.

the higher priced one looks like it deserves the name autococker. the knock in price obvious to the gun having the front block removed, but i still will pay for a good used older one that is more expensive than these.

[Python14]

Yea, seriously, someone really dropped the ball this season.

[Pstan]

Ugly......no doubt about it. While I have a 2002 WGP Cocker, I dont think I'll buy their products again. Chipley and Palmer are the way to go.

[BradAGD]

Interesting. With some work and parts, an Eblade can probably be put on. Wait a bit and some aftermarket shop will be doing it or even selling an adapter to put them on.

BUT

with the looks of it, probably no more Sniper SHO's until I can figure out how to build one around the new "front block-less" body. Great...one more thing for me to do.

[slade]

i saw this in an e-mail a day or two ago and just shuddered. i knew when wgp was bought out by the same company that owns BE that everything would go downhill. it seems like they tried to find every way possible to cut costs with still retaining function. they got arid of the front block and had an intergrated 3-way to reduce production time, and made extremely cheap milling. then the two lower end frames are plastic with a shortened trigger and no regulator on the lowest end one. i seriously expect to find this marker while walking through wallmart.

in a way i think this is good, though. ive been meaning to pick up a 03 cocker or an ANS GX-4, and this should cut the retail price a bit.

[GT]

When did most of you guys just get into paintball? I dont think it was until recent times that the stock cocker was anything to shout about. My personal belief is that stock cockers were not even built correctly from the factory until 98-99. Do you really think it costs anywhere near 400 bucks to make a cocker? A gun that has stayed the same for so many years?

when was the last time you could buy a new cocker for 180 bucks? Hell, strip it for parts, sell them for about 50 bucks, buy a sidewinder 100, and an eblade 300, and shoot some fools. that comes to 530 bucks for an ebladed monster!

But alas the paintball comunity is to stupid and instantly assumes that cheaper price equates to a lower quality product. The simple fact is: If you want paintball to grow there has to be a number of entry level products


BTW: I would hate to know what they could sell an RTP for. how much have rtp's dropped in price over the last 2 years.

[GT]

with the looks of it, probably no more Sniper SHO's until I can figure out how to build one around the new "front block-less" body. Great...one more thing for me to do.

I know the SHO's are pricey, would it be more cost effective to just order a body from jackal or works?

[slade]

when was the last time you could buy a new cocker for 180 bucks? Hell, strip it for parts, sell them for about 50 bucks, buy a sidewinder 100, and an eblade 300, and shoot some fools. that comes to 530 bucks for an ebladed monster!

it has a built in 3-way, so i dont think that you can put an e-blade on it.

But alas the paintball comunity is to stupid and instantly assumes that cheaper price equates to a lower quality product. The simple fact is: If you want paintball to grow there has to be a number of entry level products

true, and im glad that wgp is making an entry level autococker. but what im afraid of is that all of wgp's autocockers, or at least the majority of them, will become lower end.

[slasherdan]

Once more into the breech!!!

Well first WGP used the autococking system ... something Glenn basically created ...

Now they're "internalizing" all the components .... something Glenn has been doing since 1996 ....

Boy if they go after Glenn ... he's got them in the bag ....

Don't buy something you'll waste more money on just to work right ... If you really want this marker ... save a little more and get a PPS Blazer so it will work right the first time.

If you want to save some more .... get the RT with hAir ... Hell ... get a RT ULE ...