Paintball and "Mil Sim"

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Umm, Jeff... haven't I read about you attending the EMR Castle Big Game? (I could be wrong...)

Is having a "general" and an "XO" defend or attack a "castle" really any different then having a "sarge" and a "captain" defend an "ammo dump"?

[brianlojeck]

But IMO it's not Mil-Sim unless you are deliberately trying to replicate military appearance and practice.

regarding military practice, I think the average paintball player could very well benefit to learn some military practices. Something as simple as learning the "SWAT Squat", learning how to chamber your 'gun while moving, having a series of hand gestures for communication, would all go very much good to the average baller, especially in a scenario game. Appearances aside, these are good things.

(as an aside, didn't your fellow Can-Con member, Durty Dan, write bunches of articles on these very military skills as they apply to paintball?)

Everything else is just window-dressing, isn't it?

(BTW, I really am just playing devil's advocate here. I, like you, would not want to attend a "find Osama Bin Ladin" scenario game, but would not have an issue with a "Where's Waldo" scenario game. I'm amazed, even in my own line of thinking, how little sense it makes, and I do think some SWAT style skills would do great good to most players' games.)

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[White_Noise]

the milsim/woodsball vs. speedball debate has got to stop.

each one is a different style of play steming from paintball. each brings different aspects to the game play that the other cant. by having both, paintball can appeal to larger demographic and can expand and become more popular much more quickly than if just one type existed.

on a personal note, i play on tournament teams and love to play speedball. but paintball started in the woods and thats where i stated playing. i still enjoy going to big woods game once in a while just as a change of pace, and to use a whole different style of play and strategy.

so in all seriousness, stop this silly debate and learn to realize that both speedball and woods/milsim exist. and learn to treat those who play the type that you dont as fellow paintballers and not as some outcast group.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

regarding military practice, I think the average paintball player could very well benefit to learn some military practices. Something as simple as learning the "SWAT Squat", learning how to chamber your 'gun while moving, having a series of hand gestures for communication, would all go very much good to the average baller, especially in a scenario game. Appearances aside, these are good things.

(as an aside, didn't your fellow Can-Con member, Durty Dan, write bunches of articles on these very military skills as they apply to paintball?)

Everything else is just window-dressing, isn't it?

(BTW, I really am just playing devil's advocate here. I, like you, would not want to attend a "find Osama Bin Ladin" scenario game, but would not have an issue with a "Where's Waldo" scenario game. I'm amazed, even in my own line of thinking, how little sense it makes, and I do think some SWAT style skills would do great good to most players' games.)

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Agreed, a lot of it is window dressing. But as anyone in retail will tell you, window dressing is important if you want people to come into your store.

Back in the 90's Durty Dan did write a bunch of articles on how to apply military tactics and ideas to paintball. CanCon still uses a lot of those ideas, and I think a big part of the way we play has evolved from the military experience of many of our members. But Dan also wrote at least one article opposing the idea of military-looking markers, and another about moving paintball away from camouflage & the whole pseudo-military look(which is when we adopted our hockey jerseys).

the milsim/woodsball vs. speedball debate has got to stop.

each one is a different style of play steming from paintball. ...

so in all seriousness, stop this silly debate and learn to realize that both speedball and woods/milsim exist. and learn to treat those who play the type that you dont as fellow paintballers and not as some outcast group.

I thought we had established that woodsball is not teh same as MilSim? Thus, there are at least three styles of paintball.

Durty Dan wrote a few articles on the eternal debate, too. "This semi vs. stock debate has got to stop", and "The rec play vs. tourney debate is a waste of time". He was right, and the logic still applies: Go play paintball however you want, with like-minded people, and respect other people's different choices. Just have fun.

[Mosfet]

When will people stop driving their stock cars around?
Its like so lame!
Everyone needs to sell off or burn their stock cars and get Ricer cars with NOS because thats whats cool.
Anyone with out a ricer is obviously a newb and a loser!
In Fact, Companies need to stop building economy cars period, and focus on the cars that can be modded, or come stock with rice.

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Why do companies even bother making these low end 2D video cards for computers?
Only lamer noobs play games that don't require advanced 3D graphics! Companies need to stop making those cards, and those people who still don't go out and get the latest 3D card need to go hide in a hole and sell their computer, because they shouldn't even have one anyway!

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Does anyone else see this whole Speedball > woodsball > milsim as silly as the above 2 arguments, or is it just me?