Tac One vs '04 Autococker

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[jrod]

Thanks all for the replies. As someone said, I've pretty much decided on the Tac One, but I just wanted a little validation. If I get the Tac One, will I want the ULT? What are the pros and cons of that upgrade?

[casaca]

Hi, i was with the same doubt as jrod, but, i've already decided, TAC-ONE rules...

So, i've a problem, who can i purchase or order a Tac-One in Europe? Airgun Europe doesn't have the option to order, the dealers (where in Portugal) doesn't know when they have it in stock, nor the price, neither if they ever have it for sell...

Let be with my tears,

[Banshee23]

Thanks all for the replies. As someone said, I've pretty much decided on the Tac One, but I just wanted a little validation. If I get the Tac One, will I want the ULT? What are the pros and cons of that upgrade?

The ULT does lighten up the trigger pull quite a bit, although as a trade off it adds some complexity to the mag (setup & such, not terribly hard though). It also makes it easier to short stroke, you won't chop because of the Lvl 10 if it does of course but you'll notice it if it happens. For brand new people I'd say go with the standard on/off & once you're comfortable with everything spend the $40 or so and get the ULT kit. Ideally you could try both out & see for yourself :)

I'd definately say the TAC over the 04 BTW, unless you're planning on getting an e-blade eventually. A mechanical cocker by itself has a very hard time holding up to a RTP/Tac One.

[SlartyBartFast]

Have to disagree with that... One thing cockers have is that they are THE most upgradable marker on the market...

I'd take the Tac, though...

And there are more parts available on the open market for Chevettes than there are for Ferraris.

Why the stupid obcession amongst paintballers over how many, mostly cosmetic, doo-hickies they can bolt to their gun or how many parts they can replace with different coloured but identically functional parts?

[Spaceman613]

No one asked if the guy plans on using CO2 ever...

both guns have good and bad points, but I guess so many here want to overlook each and just blindly pic the mag.

How about a detailed comaprison by someone that has shot both and can evaluate all areas of form and function.

[jrod]

No one asked if the guy plans on using CO2 ever...

both guns have good and bad points, but I guess so many here want to overlook each and just blindly pic the mag.

How about a detailed comaprison by someone that has shot both and can evaluate all areas of form and function.

I'd love a detailed comparison. And, I will only be using HPA. I still have my Tippmanns if I wanna use CO2. Remember, I can't see ever going electro, so I don't care about the eblade.

Thanks again.

[Spaceman613]

Ok, heres a different point of view..

Niether will chop if set up correctly. LX fo rthe mag, and low recocking pressure for the cocker.

The mag will have the lower profile

The cocker can be set up to be more efficient

trigger feel is subjective, so thats up to you and you may need to try them both to see what you like.

Both will shoot plenty fast, mag will have the slight advantage out of the box, but i have set up a plain jane cocker to be incredibly fast with a wgp hinge frame.

Maintenance... I would say both are similar. If you dont mess with the cocker you wont need to mess with it.... Same with the mag

Barrels. same threads on both.

Resale.... well, the mag will have better resale in the short term, but who knows for long term. And the cocker will have a lower short term resale, but with the entry level cockers coming soon, who knows on the long term.... thats a hard one to judge.

Bottom line... they are both good markers... But the feel is very different, try them both out and go with what feels more comfy in your hands and lets you hit the target.

[Fixion]

Stock Tac ONE > '04 Autococker

But I would probably take high end cocker (Freeflow, CCM, Eclipse, Smat Parts, etc.) over most mech mags. I just love how tunable they are. I also prefer the smooth buttery feel of a (good) cocker trigger, to the snappy/bouncy feel of a mag. Oh, and don't forget the back block

Don't get me wrong, I also like mags (I've owned many), just not as much as cockers.

[ghideon]

I own the following:
ULE bodied E-Mag
FreeFlow Lotus E-Cocker
ULE ULT Mag (basically same as the TAC-ONE, just a different body style)

The Cocker is a pain. It's the first one I've owned, so it's a learning experience. Like JiminVA said, the blasted cocking rod kept coming lose. I've had the cocker for three months, and didn't learn this until last month. The little beasty is screwed in tight and loctited six ways from Sunday.

Here's how I see it:

E-Mag: Old faithful, the steady date, the tank, etc. It has never failed me, unless I was tweaking with it on a Friday night and then tried playing with it on Saturday. The last time I had a problem with the cocker, I pulled this bad boy out, ran some oil through it, and it chrono'd 274, 275, 272, 270. You can't ask any more of a marker. And it's fast.

ULE ULT Mag: So lightweight. I don't play with it often unless I loan my E-Mag out. I feel like I'm invicible. Very compact, too. And reliable as old faithful. I take my friends out once in awhile, who have only played a few times (with rentals no less) and they all love this marker.

The E-Cocker: Last week was the first time I had gotten to play a whole day without something going wrong. I have never run through a case of paint that fast. The thing was freaking a-mazing. It just took me a little while to learn the marker. The only thing I don't like was the recoil, and I'm working on that.

Do you like to tinker? Get the cocker.

Do you like to have a large amount of parts to select while upgrading? Get the cocker.

Do you value reliabilty and and ease of maintenace? Get the Mag.

Are you concerned with out of the box performance? Get the Mag.

Will you be looking to go electronic down the line? Get the cocker.

In your case I'd go for the Mag.

[JimInVA]

Excellent post, ghideon!!

[Beowulfs_Ghost]

Anecdotal evidence;

A guy I know decided it was time to get an Autococker. He brought his "fresh out of the box" cocker to the field, and spent about an hour with the field owner getting it tuned up, and learning the basics of shooting a cocker (even a properly tuned cocker can be a blender in the wrong hands). Once it was all working correctly, it was pretty slick. Accurate, quiet, and a really smooth feel to the trigger.

When I brought my new mag to the field, all I had to do was chrono it.

However, when both are running at there peak it becomes a matter of personal preferance. I like the clean lines and ease of maintainance of my mag. The cocker guys like the action and tweakability of their cockers.

I like to tinker as much as the next guy. However, I get more joy out of tinkering to improve something as opposed to tinkering just to get minimal functionality.

[JoshK]

well said...i cant give a good post because ive only owned my '03 cocker, and a tippmann 98...but no matter what gun you go with...it will be a life change from the tippy...if you need to take a little buget on a gun, and you want either a tac or a 04...i would say 04...but if you dont mind the extra money go for the mag...either way in the long run you will wanna upgrade them...i hope my rambleing helped...anyways, GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR BUY!

[jrod]

Am I correct in understanding that the Tac One is a more capable marker out of the box, when compared to the stock '04 VF Autococker? What I'm trying to ask is "would I have to upgrade the stock 'Cocker in order to make it comparable to the Tac One?

[FSU_Paintball]

Depends.

Keep in mind you'll need compressed air for the Tac-One. If you can afford that, I think the Tac-One is a better choice, since it's faster and has anti-chop and probably will have less problems. But the cocker runs pretty well on CO2.