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**Chronobreak** · 09-23-2004, 07:33 AM

i agree for the most part althoguht tippmans are VERY reliable on co2 they are NO where near consistent and being used about 5000000 times doesnt help that. not to mention barrel or other unforseen problems like u mentioned. but i must say that a brand new tippman for $130 or so isnt really a bad deal compared to 1000 angel they are defiently in way different classes.

**Halliday** · 09-23-2004, 07:36 AM

Clean it up, chrony it, and put a nice barrel on it and 98's are actually pretty nice.

**rkjunior303** · 09-23-2004, 08:06 AM

again, all about paintmatch. i bet it would shoot decent if the paint matched a decent barrel on the tippy.. those things are tanks!

**Asym** · 09-23-2004, 08:21 AM

and couldn't hit ANYTHING due to the crappy barrel on the tippy

The stock barrels are pieces of crap, if your angel came with something similar it would shoot just as bad.

I've never liked the looks of the 98 they are too big and clunky looking, hoping thats what the halberd comment was refering to. But I still prefer my carbine over my expensive mag.

**LudavicoSoldier** · 09-23-2004, 08:46 AM

My springfeed 98 carbine (M4 stock) is just as accurate as my mags (of course) with the proper PTB match. I will agree that the stock barrels are crrrrrap though.

**ryan_1215** · 09-23-2004, 08:52 AM

I have a tippman 98c that I have upgraded quite a bit and it is actually a pretty decent marker, although much heavier and longer than my mag it still brings the eliminations in.

**teufelhunden** · 09-23-2004, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by Halliday

Clean it up, chrony it, and put a nice barrel on it and 98's are actually pretty nice.

And get new internals, an E-bolt, LPK, a decent HPR, HPA, a decent loader..

**Jeffy-CanCon** · 09-23-2004, 09:04 AM

You should have volunteered to step-down your tech anyway. Your game experience is enough of an advantage against newbies. Wiping the field with your Angels would have been no challenge at all. On the rare occasions that I play with a group of renters I only use a stock-gun or pump.

**HoppysMag** · 09-23-2004, 09:11 AM

a gun doesnt play the game, a player does. sorry but if you cant adapt to a new marker, thats you not the gun.

**robdamanii** · 09-23-2004, 09:32 AM

i agree for the most part althoguht tippmans are VERY reliable on co2 they are NO where near consistent and being used about 5000000 times doesnt help that. not to mention barrel or other unforseen problems like u mentioned. but i must say that a brand new tippman for $130 or so isnt really a bad deal compared to 1000 angel they are defiently in way different classes.

Yes they are different classes. And the 130 for a tippman is a great deal. These all run on HPA, but they are indeed well used and were not very consistent.

Clean it up, chrony it, and put a nice barrel on it and 98's are actually pretty nice.

True, but these are stock barrels, on field rentals.

again, all about paintmatch. i bet it would shoot decent if the paint matched a decent barrel on the tippy.. those things are tanks!

I was shooting marballizer through it. No doubt they are tanks, but still not that great with the stock barrel.

You should have volunteered to step-down your tech anyway. Your game experience is enough of an advantage against newbies. Wiping the field with your Angels would have been no challenge at all. On the rare occasions that I play with a group of renters I only use a stock-gun or pump.

a gun doesnt play the game, a player does. sorry but if you cant adapt to a new marker, thats you not the gun.

Why step down from the marker I'm comfortable with and play with in tourneys? I never said our game experience is not an advantage, considering our first game consisted of myself and two of my regular teammates (the ones I practice with and tourney with) mopping up about 13 of them in 30 seconds with our angels. Most of the groups we have just take the challenge, split our teammates up and it becomes a good game.

As for being unable to adapt...

I've played with that same marker for a year now, and am very comfortable with it. I NEVER play with Tippmans, and if I'm playing for a few minutes with it, it's not a case of simply being able to pick up the thing and have it just sing for you.

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't "hard" to win with a tippman, but being a different marker, with different proportions, no walkable trigger, single finger trigger, differently balanced etc, made it a little awkward. And not being able to hit things like feet and elbows that were hanging out because of the inaccuracy of the marker/barrel/paint combination (targets that would have been easy hits with my Angel) was indeed a little frustrating.

We pay for markers that we like the feel of and become comfortable with for a reason. Experience doesn't mean you can pick up a marker that's uncomfortable to you and automatically be Chris LaSoya with it.

**Pickle** · 09-23-2004, 09:37 AM

If the group of players you are with ( I am assuming they were new to the game) had a great time and probbly a better time because you stepped down than you did the right thing.

**SlartyBartFast** · 09-23-2004, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by robdamanii

Why step down from the marker I'm comfortable with and play with in tourneys?

How on Earth can such a simple answer escape you?

>>Beacause you're not at a tourney<<

If the rest of the field is all rentals, you should step down and limit your potential just out of sportsmanship. The other players are not on the field to be mowed down by some heavy artillary packing tourney player. They are not their exclusively for your amusement or abuse. They are not canon fodder.

If you want to practice your tournament skills, practice with your team and others willing/wanting to play at a tournament level. Otherwise, play the game it was meant to be played: For the fun and enjoyment of all.

**robdamanii** · 09-23-2004, 09:43 AM

They had a good time when we split up the Angels on either side as well.

It wasn't a matter of the markers. They just didn't like it when our team played against all of them. And that was just the option of the first game. By the end of the day, they were doing quite well and were competing against us even though our markers were much more capable than theirs (in terms of speed and accuracy).

That's what we coached 'em along for during the course of the day, how to play better.

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast

How on Earth can such a simple answer escape you?

>>Beacause you're not at a tourney<<

If the rest of the field is all rentals, you should step down and limit your potential just out of sportsmanship. The other players are not on the field to be mowed down by some heavy artillary packing tourney player. They are not their exclusively for your amusement or abuse. They are not canon fodder.

If you want to practice your tournament skills, practice with your team and others willing/wanting to play at a tournament level. Otherwise, play the game it was meant to be played: For the fun and enjoyment of all.

Wrong...

If I PAY to shoot paint, and pay for air and field fee (I didn't take a paycheck for yesterday, instead used it on paint etc), there's nothing telling me that I NEED to step down from my comfortable marker to one I never use.

I believe anyone on here will tell you...

The best way to get better is play against someone/something better than yourself.

And let's see...they all thanked us at the end of the day for making them better players, and showing them a good time (no complaints about the markers, more of said in jest about "shooting full auto" and such) and how they're coming back this weekend to play more. I'd say that's a job well done.

**SlartyBartFast** · 09-23-2004, 09:51 AM

If they want to learn from you, by being beaten, they can. They told you they didn't.

If YOU wanted to learn/practice, you wouldn't want to play at an advantage.

If you're really such a good player, you'd be able to teach and learn by playing against rentals with a pump.

I have just reconfirmed that...

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