I have just reconfirmed that...

[xXHavokXx]

I'm not saying TE isn't talented but I would l think more of that argument if they would step up to NXL, Div 1 Xball, or Run more events against Russian Leigion, Bob's men, XSV, Dynasty or Infamous.

[m20power]

There are some good ideas out here. However I wouldnt go as far as to say that it was all player and not the marker. Im not sure if anyone actually did but Ill pretend so.

We talked about this at my field and the concensus (sp?) was that it was 80% player and 20% marker. If you take equal players and give one a better gun then they will most likely win. But if you take a guy from a pro team and give them a spyder and take a beginner and give them a Viking, the pro will tend to win. They know the game better, have better tactics, and also beginners normally dont understand how to use a high end gun properly.
It would be like giving a Porsche to a drivers ed student and putting them onto a track. They just couldnt extract all the performance that the machine is capable of because they dont know how.....yet.

Do I think its bad that you wanted to use your angel? Not at all. I used my friends mongoose once while he used my autococker. I had a horrible game. It just didnt feel right in my hands and the entire time I was uncomfortable.
Besides the universal measure of how good a marker is in terms of speed and weight, you also have to look at how it meshes with you as a player. With my cocker I can shoot from the hip with extreme accuracy, Its as though the gun is a part of me. I cant do that with my angel even though my angel cost 3 times more, is faster, and lighter.


Being nice to the beginners also requires them to play fair. Ive had times where I leave in the middle of the day because I cant stand being over shot and dealing with wipers. I guess I could turn my max ROF up and go get some blood but Its easier to just tell them that I wont play with cheaters and leave.

PS. Have a nice weekend

[Bobbyboy]

i know its random but AclowN you have the best sig i have EVER seen. I seriously love it and think your awesome because of it.

[ilikePB]

Wow, lots of people being dicks in this thread, thats for sure. Everyone looks too deep into threads. He was just saying that he has been using highend guns for so long, he didn't realize how nice they really were.

See when in a similar situation......I put a slow loader like a Revvy or Grav Feed hopper on my dm4 or fly so I cant shoot fast but can still use the guns Im used to.

I do that from time to time also.

[shatter_storm]

A few friends and myself were at the local shop when a group (35-40 people) from some school shows up. Most have never played and are pretty impressionable (sp?) when it comes to guys looking like "pros". They didn't want to play with us at all until near the end of the day.

Now, we arn't tournament players by any means. None of us have done any competetive PB whatsoever, we just like playing together so our jerseys match - that's it. I'm running a mag and my friends are using cockers (one's ebladed). Mid-level guns, right? Well, you'd think we were all toting excals or something with how everyone reacts when we want to play. They wouldn't let us be on the same team at all, it'd always be a 2v1 split and then they'd stack the teams.

Once we all got to play, we used pumps for a 4 vs 15 game. Rolled 'em over pretty quick too :P

But anyways, I see your point. I'm used to my y-gripped mag - using anything with a .45 grip just seems odd now. I've gotta hold the rental tippys far away from me to aim properly and it messes my play style all up.

[xXHavokXx]

I agree, 45 frames are lame. 90 for life.

[ilikePB]

I honestly don't get the 90* frame thing. I wouldn't mind owning an ace'd Speed if it didn't have a 90* frame. I can't shoot those things worth crap, they are very uncomfortable to me. I guess it's all preference.

[LudavicoSoldier]

Speedball in the woods?

Two words for you, buddy. Tippman Effect. Incredible skill, lousy equipment.

Lousy equipment, compared to what, a DM4? I love how Tippmanns are held up to the same golden standard set by whatever hot gun everyone MUST have. Not all teams NEED to have the "best" tourny marker to compete. An e-grip A5 is plenty fast if properly setup.

That said, alot of you guys seem aweful jaded on electro guns. Is paintball no longer fun if you cant have your electro? Closed minded people will be the death of this game/sport.

[Warewolf50]

again, all about paintmatch. i bet it would shoot decent if the paint matched a decent barrel on the tippy.. those things are tanks!

HAHAHA sayin that bout rentals. I worked at a fied for bout a yearand we rented tippys and let me tell no matter how good the ball to bore match was they wouldnt shoot straight, U should see what thsoe thigns go through, and then on our side of it we would take care of them btut they still get the crap beet out of them i mean tryng to dissemable 40 to 50 guns at the end of the day so u can go home. some essential cleaning miught get "forgotten".

[tru_flip56]

jesus christ...i read this whole thread and come on! the guy says its about appreciating his angel....and everyone who is trying to flame this tread are dicks...I also worked on a field and i've used tippmans....if youve been playing for years and are using high end guns for years and then suddenly go back to tippmans...BELIEVE ME ITS A BIG CHANGE...ohh and for those who say "its not the gun its the player", which is true to a certain point but the gun CAN up your skill a little, conidering speed, consistancy, and accuracy...

(i heard this makes people happy)

[No sKiLLz]

I'm not saying TE isn't talented but I would l think more of that argument if they would step up to NXL, Div 1 Xball, or Run more events against Russian Leigion, Bob's men, XSV, Dynasty or Infamous.

They are NPPL Div. 1. Besides, would you walk into the NXL with a 98 Custom?

Lousy equipment, compared to what, a DM4? I love how Tippmanns are held up to the same golden standard set by whatever hot gun everyone MUST have. Not all teams NEED to have the "best" tourny marker to compete. An e-grip A5 is plenty fast if properly setup.

Plenty fast for what? Tourney play? It was designed for the average rec-baller. If you mean compete in the jungle for a scenario game, sure. Tippman will do you plenty fine. If you want to argue that it will hold up in a national tournament, you should go watch one some time.

[MarkM]

just a little follow on to this concept of dumbing down or stepping down (whichever you prefer) Many years ago I went to a local site to me that allowed you to use your own marker alongside first timers or at the very least regular players but using rental gear (in this case it was the latter) I went out with a mag and used the firepower more as suppression than to shoot people..(I had done some work on the mag and wanted to test it in a situation that didn't cost my team points and training days weren't thought about back then) The result was lots of complaints even my offer to switch sides wasn't taken well. So I switched to my Sterling which all of the other were using as well the only difference was that mine was spot on chrono wise and had a slightly better barrel (PTB match was not thought of then just big or small bore) and an electro (home made) loader...oh and I had two 7 ounce bottle attached both on syphon tubes...this still didn't make the other players happy even though the site owner explained that my Sterling was the same as theirs (he commented about how more consistant it was than the site ones to me afterwards ) but this tale just shows that it wasn't the marker it was the player ....I was up on the 50 from the game on signal the other players just hadn't realised that you have another weapon in paintball...your brains and feet but to them I was (with the mag) an uzi toting punter hunter or (with the Sterling) a sniper who they couldn't catch/shoot. In this situation I couldn't play the game and I quickly realised that even though I then offered to use a site Sterling the other players refused to allow me to do even that as I was too good (their words)...I was not, just I knew what I was doing and that counts for way more than the choice of marker.
A site I used to play at for tournaments was always doing something I think is very wrong and that was that along side the tournament he would have first timers (or regular player etc see above) playing on the same site and I am sorry but you should not expose new players to full on tournament players as you will gain a few across to the tournament scene but in general it will scare them away. you have to understand that in the UK we don't have a particulary large rec scene and finding sites to allow the use of your own marker is a little difficult. So when you see any comments about the Brits not being very good at tournament play (after american or european events) it is due to this lack of places to practise...(this is a general comment as there are places but very few)
I seemed to have rambled on a bit but I was trying to cover all the bases in one post

[Meph]

Funny how I went one on one with Jim at that field, him with his Lasoya and me with... rental 98 and Big Ball.

Guess who hit Jim 3 times that one game with a Rental 98?


You just suck Rob!

Nya nya.


*edit*
Probably see ya this weekend, thinking of stopping down at the field to get some Vector action in. Haven't played w/ that thing yet much.

[xXHavokXx]

They are NPPL Div. 1. Besides, would you walk into the NXL with a 98 Custom?

If Tippmann was my sponsor......yes. Otherwise I'll use my Fly. Why? It's kinda obvious.

[No sKiLLz]

If Tippmann was my sponsor......yes. Otherwise I'll use my Fly. Why? It's kinda obvious.

Are you sponsored by WDP? Why not use a custom 98? :)