I have just reconfirmed that...

[noodles]

Wow I have to agree to the whole 'people being dicks' post.

I think its safe to say that any rental gun with a stock barrel is gonna suck compared to the gun you are used to.

I have a 98 custom that was kitted out quite nice and suited my playing style but if i was made to use one of the site inferno's at my field then it really put me out to start with.

I agree when your used to having accuracy and then suddenly you loose it then its no fun.
I also agree that it can often be good to handicap yourself to improve your play and that its no fair for rental players to be up against a tourny player weilding an angel.

But... this thread wasnt really about not being willing to step down was it? No it was about not liking a different style of gun. I actually refused to play with my mag untill I had it setup to how I wanted it.

Maybe people can chill out a bit and not just have a go because they feel like venting at someone. Why can't a forum be a bit more attitude free?

[robdamanii]

I love angels & hate rental guns. You can't really blaim the gun because those places dont really clean the barrel good at some places. They do use squeezes but that aint hacking the job when theres globs of paint and shells in the bore after a nasty chop.


I'm surprised, why didn't you just compromise and say hey I'll turn my angel down to 5 bps(harrible tourcher). Ahah didn'tthink of doing that muhahahahaha

I'm one of the field marshals, and I know we clean the rentals thoroughly. But still, the barrel and consistency just sucks. Go figure.

They were afraid of the marker itself. Not even if I turned it down, just the fact that it shot that fast was scary.

[Lohman446]

Why step down from the marker I'm comfortable with and play with in tourneys? I never said our game experience is not an advantage, considering our first game consisted of myself and two of my regular teammates (the ones I practice with and tourney with) mopping up about 13 of them in 30 seconds with our angels. Most of the groups we have just take the challenge, split our teammates up and it becomes a good game.

As for being unable to adapt...

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't "hard" to win with a tippman, but being a different marker, with different proportions, no walkable trigger, single finger trigger, differently balanced etc, made it a little awkward. And not being able to hit things like feet and elbows that were hanging out because of the inaccuracy of the marker/barrel/paint combination (targets that would have been easy hits with my Angel) was indeed a little frustrating.

I think this is where the bad taste I got came from... basically I don't care if Im playing on the field with newbies, they should cope with it. As others have said, this is where it is ideal to have a pump, or something that limits yourself. Decimating newbies all day is surely not fun for them, and how much fun can it be for you. Even splitting yourselfs up, the poor inexperienced players become cannon fodder all day. How much fun is that to them?

[robdamanii]

I think this is where the bad taste I got came from... basically I don't care if Im playing on the field with newbies, they should cope with it. As others have said, this is where it is ideal to have a pump, or something that limits yourself. Decimating newbies all day is surely not fun for them, and how much fun can it be for you. Even splitting yourselfs up, the poor inexperienced players become cannon fodder all day. How much fun is that to them?

later in the day when we split up the team-mates, everyone was doing just fine, things balanced out very well, even on the airball field.

God forbid the jackals of AO strike me down for my choice of language. I'd consider 4-1 odds and a 30 second victory "mopping up". Is it my fault they all hid behind the 3 back bukers and made it that easy? No. Did I tell them how to fix their error in play? Yes. Did they learn from it? Damn right.

Did they end up having fun? Absolutely.

Problem solved.

[Bobbyboy]

If you're really such a good player, you'd be able to teach and learn by playing against rentals with a pump.

the way i see it if ya got a Ferarri ya drive it, same concept here. If your gun cost $1,000+ then not playing with it would seem dumb to me.

[AclowN]

if i had a Ferarri, i'd drive it when i wanted to impress people, or pick up chicks... otherwise i'd use the VW beetle that gets me better mileage...

meaning ya you have the nice angel, but stepping down was the good thing to do, alot of newbies are intimidated by just a marker... as for picking up a pump, u said you've done that don't like it, okie dokie. you stepped down in markers which was something alot of guys refuse to do, and i commend you... as long as the other players had fun with you, the "veteran", whether they lost every single game or not. thats all that matters at the end of the day, did they enjoy themselves, or did they hate doing nothing but losing... nothing more matters with "noobs"

now... the term NOOB, has been so handily brought into paintball from a reference where in most cases it IS meant as offensive and derogatory when used towards someone... which is in online gaming... where the term is widely and avidly used. that is probably and most likely why alot of people do not appreciate or use the word, due to its ever so popular use as a "diss" on computer games. in your case you did not mean it this way, you meant it in the original way it was used, which eventually evolved into the now derogatory statement it was seen as by one.

anyhow, the new players had fun, reguardless of anything else if they did that.. what else matters... to them.. nothing, so who cares

dancing bananas make everyone happy so here

[gc82000]

This is why I dont play against kids. I will join the newbs team before I join my team when we are to practice. I get the practice I need but at the same time I am helping them build confidence. I use an A4 in tourney or serious practices and I switch to my Mag to play against newbs. I still have an advantage of using a gun I am comfortabe with but a lot of the newbs have e-spyders, or the like. So it kind of evens out.

[xXHavokXx]

Like I said. use slow hoppers. Sometimes when I'm just messing around I'll give a kid my gun and take a rental. alot of times they have alot of fun playing with a high ed gun but it kind of sucks now as I cant hit anything. I dont see why he has to play with a pump though, why not just shoot slow with his angel? If I was gonna play nice I'd just put my Rev or Grav feed hopper on my Flys and set them down accordingly.

[Chronobreak]

usually if its a bunch of kids with spyder that have pods they wont mind if u just play hopperball.

i think the 1200 gun also plays an intimidation factor in their midns thoguh

[No sKiLLz]

Mow em. Let the ref sort em out.

[bryceeden]

I totally agree with you, I love my mag and hate tippmanns. I have been forced to step down as well, and it realy doesn't make for a fun day. I can use a Spyder fairly well, but a tippmann is just a hard marker to use when your not use to them. I tried to use my phantom instead last weekend, and that was alittle better, but speedball with a pump is very difficult to learn. I totaly agree being made to step down really makes you thankful for your highend gear.

[vonort]

All that i'm hearing here is "I don't have enough skill to play with a low end gun". "so I need to buy skill in my gear."

If your good at the game you should be able to pick up any gun and compete against opponents that are not as good as you. When my freinds started playing they all bough 98c. I went out against them with my PGP. It made it a little challenge for me. But it made it a blast for them. Majority of games I was still the high kill man. (mostly play elimination games) But it made me re-learn some of the things i had forgotten. It also gave me a chance to teach my freinds the aspects of cover and angles. We mostly play speedball in a wooded area. All natural terrain and bunkers.

So don't hate the gun just because you are not up to the ability to play with it. It takes more skill and talent to use a 98c than it does an "enter electro wonder gun of choice".

PS. Let the flames begin..

[robdamanii]

All that i'm hearing here is "I don't have enough skill to play with a low end gun". "so I need to buy skill in my gear."

If your good at the game you should be able to pick up any gun and compete against opponents that are not as good as you. When my freinds started playing they all bough 98c. I went out against them with my PGP. It made it a little challenge for me. But it made it a blast for them. Majority of games I was still the high kill man. (mostly play elimination games) But it made me re-learn some of the things i had forgotten. It also gave me a chance to teach my freinds the aspects of cover and angles. We mostly play speedball in a wooded area. All natural terrain and bunkers.

So don't hate the gun just because you are not up to the ability to play with it. It takes more skill and talent to use a 98c than it does an "enter electro wonder gun of choice".

PS. Let the flames begin..

Comfort means nothing to you does it?

A tippman rental is fully 7" longer than my rig, off balance, etc etc. You switch from your regular marker to a Tippmann and see what happens.

Maybe you're adaptable like that. I'm not. Did I use the exact same techniques I usually do? Obviously. However...

Swinging that tank around to make a bunker move, wrapping a bunker, keeping the hopper out of the way (wonderful offset neck and I'm a predominant rightie...not a problem coming out the left though), having a horribly unbalanced marker in your hands (and trying to use it like it's your regular marker) and hmm...a barrel that is worth more as a crack pipe than a barrel....DOESN'T make it just as simple as "well, you suck for not being able to play just as well with a 98 as you can with an Angel".

Complain about it all you want.

My post was about how I appreciate my angel much more after seeing what's out there and sucks. If you don't like that....you have the option to NOT POST!

[tyrion2323]

sometimes it's better to stop talking....

Just a thought.

[No sKiLLz]

All that i'm hearing here is "I don't have enough skill to play with a low end gun". "so I need to buy skill in my gear."

If your good at the game you should be able to pick up any gun and compete against opponents that are not as good as you. When my freinds started playing they all bough 98c. I went out against them with my PGP. It made it a little challenge for me. But it made it a blast for them. Majority of games I was still the high kill man. (mostly play elimination games) But it made me re-learn some of the things i had forgotten. It also gave me a chance to teach my freinds the aspects of cover and angles. We mostly play speedball in a wooded area. All natural terrain and bunkers.

So don't hate the gun just because you are not up to the ability to play with it. It takes more skill and talent to use a 98c than it does an "enter electro wonder gun of choice".

PS. Let the flames begin..

Speedball in the woods?

Two words for you, buddy. Tippman Effect. Incredible skill, lousy equipment.