AO: We are back from the dead... again! After an 18 day outage, we are finally alive and well. Who knew how complicated updating software/databases from 2008 would be. I still have alot of tweaks to make, but my main goal was getting everything patched and updated to 2026.
Vbulletin 6 has changed alot since 2008 so we will have a ton of new features to dig into.
All this talk about SP, but what would u do if....
Its hypocrisy because I can point out threads with TONS of replies with people saying they hate smart parts, smart parts is evil, smart parts sucks, no one is every buying smart parts again, etc, and yet, as soon as the money is waved in front of their face, SP is everyone's best friend.
Thats hypocrisy. Are you so easily bought? Is free SP gear worth selling your integrity for?
Apparently so.
Luckily, I have never said anything like that, so I can say this:
Originally posted by tony3
Take it, duh. Then again, I have nothing against them.
i would tell then to stuff it up there arse...
and thats the friggin truth, i have been sopnsored before (by a great bunch of guys and Mel at PBX) and i also have worked for a couple stores/fields and gotten the "discount" sponsorships, first there often not worth the bull you hafta put up with (workin 30 hours for a $35 case of paint screw that, or a fugly jersey covered in there logos for free BUT you have to wear it when you play or ref or whatever....NOT WORTH IT)
and the stone cold truth is i would have bought a shocker by now if they hadent fired off that law suit, its a tight light gun....but i dont agree with their business pratices so they will not get my support. EVER....and i have sucessfuly steered 5 newbs/semi newbs away from shockers (onto timmys and dm4's, but away from shockers).
Tom was the last of a now extinct breed, a breed of players who build a community, a breed of owners who gave to the sport never taking more than what they deserved. I hope to see you at the feild again some day....
ya ok.. I wouldn't buy anything smart parts.. But if there going to support my team then I would support them 100%.. Anybody whos not a complete moron would take a full sponsorship from them.. There guns arn't THAT bad
It's not hypocrisy.. It's comoon sense.. Do you think all the celebrities that endorse certain companies actually like them? No.. Todays world is based around money, if you don't got it, your nothing
once again, a bunch of (my favorite overused analogy) john proctors in paintballs "the crucible"
its like a kid noone likes giving a "good bye" post saying "o, well, i dont REALLY expect anyone to miss me.... cause noone likes me"
obviously, hes looking to get a reaction out of it, and to get responses "aww, ill miss you"
or "no kidding, ur a dumbass"
either way, he becomes the center of attention, even for those 15 minutes which is what he aimed for.
am i accusing those of that viewpoint of possibly having that reason explained in the analogy? yes. do i believe its everyone? of course not. your entitled to do what you want of course and i also believe a very large percent of this forum are very well educated, but i do believe that for some people, thats why they say "o, ill never buy smart parts, ill do my part against monopolies". i might be getting of subject, but im trying to address one viewpoint that maybe some people here, but tons of people elsewhere believe.
-One person not buying, nor 500 people not buying a companies product wont change anything
-Saying "atleast im able to sleep at night" is widely overused, and is focused on getting a reaction, more-so then displaying ones beliefs
-If you dont care what people say about you buying practices, whywanting do alot of people say things that are apparently controvercial, and seem to implicate to get a reaction out of people.
-"the cold steel truth is i wouldve bought one already" why is it cold steel? who is it hurting? maybe a fraction of a percent on smart parts' net , and maybe a few percent on the store you wouldve bought it from?
do you not wear nike because they are responsible for the exploition of 9 year olds. while nessities arent as much in afganistan, $5 a day is barely enough for water and food. horrible working conditions, beating, killings, and much more are pracitices of nike, and so, do you boycott nike (some might already, but it WAS a widely spoken "fashion" not too long ago) or do you boycott smart parts for their inducing of royalties, and whatnot?
critizism is very appreciated on this, while im sure few of you might be harsh i love debating, and find this very fun and brain-massaging.
I don't use SP products because personally I think they are junk. The icing on the cake is the lawsuit. I had a freak before having a freak was popular. I got rid of my freak becuase I found a better product for much less money. J&J ceramics. I will never buy another freak because they are not that good, not worth my hard earned money. I would never accept a sponsorship from SP because I disagree with their business policy. And I could not in all good conciousness promote thier product.
PS. I don't wear Nikes cause I think they are over priced and I can find just as good a shoe elsewhere.
TO those of you who have said no because of business practicies.. I don't agree with you but you have my respect for it, it is a well thought out opinion and hase a basis.
To those of you who have said no because there junk - well... just because you dont like a company doesnt mean its product is junk. Now some of you have better reasons, but the SP stuff I own is of higher quality than comparable equipment. Strange using Shockers tells me how good of a gun they can be.
I think that SP is very competetive in quality in the price ranges there products are in. The Freak I agree may be overpriced when compared to its comeptitors, but when I needed a barrel kit its still where I looked.
I dont like everything SP does as a company... I don't like everything AGD does as a company either. You can throw in K2, WDP and PMI also, along with Dye. The fact of the matter is, if I had to agree wtih every business decision made with teh limited knowledge I had from outside the company in order to support a company and buy its products, I would have a hard time playing paintball. I don't agree wtih them, but they are made from a business stand point and it is not my decision to make.
"Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess
PS. I don't wear Nikes cause I think they are over priced and I can find just as good a shoe elsewhere.
I agree but when u wear a size 13 you can not shop by brand and/style. Asking "What do you have in a size 13?" is a much shorter list than picking by style.
My team is sponsored [minorly] by System X we took it. We didnt shoot cockers. We werent fans of them or anything they saw us play at Nppl Event 2 [Tampa last may] We were like 4th place in the Div III. And they gave us jeresys and shirts hats barrells and about 10 cases of paint. Right now they might send us a couple Xoniks. Hell I'd take SP Sponsorship. Even if i do hate them...which i do with all my heart. Long and short of this... Free stuff is defintly better, espcially if its expensive. Like chicken wings.
I'll have to take it out to dinner and a movie first. Will it go see AVP? - Halliday On "Will you date my valve?"
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