High-speed Mechanical Triggers vs. Electro.

[PBX Ronin 23]

With the ever incresing rates of fire, first with the electros and now with the pneumatically-assisted mechanical triggers, there's an obvious issue that's not being addressed.

An assisted mech trigger that's capable of firing at an extremely high rate is still lacking the ability to sense the presence of a ball in the breach before it can fire. The Mags can obviously deal well with this issues with a L-10'ed valve, but what about an assisted Cocker Trigger.......and don't tell me use a JAM bolt either!

I recall several years back with Boston paintball coming out with their version of the assisted mech trigger. Saw it shoot once and it was indeed a beast. But due to the lack of high-speed loaders plus the politics of paintball back then, they couldn't capitalize on their product.

Without an eye for the Cocker, any high-speed trigger will, in all likelihood encounter chopping problems. So why bother then? Why not just go electro on a cocker and take advantage of having the ability to have an eye?

What are your thoughts on this?

[Gambit1106]

I agree with you, on this. Without some kind of anti-chop capability it would not be an advisable thing in my mind. The mag has the saving grace of having the level 10 where a cocker has that high chance of chopping.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

We have level 10, we dont need any fancy electronics.

In all seriousness, some people would rather have a halo and no eyes than eyes and a revvi. I'd rather have a pnumeatic anti chop system, than an electronic one. Pnuematics will always work, there isnt much to go wrong. But with electronics, theres software problems, battery issues, connections, fried boards, etc. I have confidence in electronics, but I have more confidence in pnuematics and principles that have been around for years.

[RRfireblade]

MMMM,

What makes you think a mechanical trigger system can't have an eye?

[thecavemankevin]

my thoughts:

cant friggin wait for a pnue-mech mag frame and damn all else!

but as far as the pnue-mech for any other gun sucha as a cocker....well there in lies the problem. If you have a cocker that can shoot so darn fast mechanically but chopping is a constant problem....then it HAS to be fixed mechanically. Afterall, look at the original RT mags....they would easily outshoot their hoppers....thus the legend of the blender mag was born, and we have been strugling to overcome that image ever since.

Perhaps an extremely low pressure system will be required in order to over come this. Or perhaps some sort of bleed off valve similar to that of the LX on a mag might be able to work (but that may infringe on patents).

[Vash-HT]

even with lvl 10 tho, it still skips a shot if it stops on a ball, whereas an eye will fire when the ball is loaded, no skipping shots.

i think some ppl may buy them so they dont have to worry about electronics problems, but with the addition of more pneumatics there's bound ot be more problems.

[thecavemankevin]

MMMM,

What makes you think a mechanical trigger system can't have an eye?

you know, somehow i wondered if you might be working on something like this

[Skywalker]

With the ever incresing rates of fire, first with the electros and now with the pneumatically-assisted mechanical triggers, there's an obvious issue that's not being addressed.

An assisted mech trigger that's capable of firing at an extremely high rate is still lacking the ability to sense the presence of a ball in the breach before it can fire. The Mags can obviously deal well with this issues with a L-10'ed valve, but what about an assisted Cocker Trigger.......and don't tell me use a JAM bolt either!

I recall several years back with Boston paintball coming out with their version of the assisted mech trigger. Saw it shoot once and it was indeed a beast. But due to the lack of high-speed loaders plus the politics of paintball back then, they couldn't capitalize on their product.

Without an eye for the Cocker, any high-speed trigger will, in all likelihood encounter chopping problems. So why bother then? Why not just go electro on a cocker and take advantage of having the ability to have an eye?

What are your thoughts on this?

That's why I'm waiting for Logic to come out with their electro vert frame, so I can have eyes. That way if I wanted to get rid of the LX and save some efficiency I still wouldn't chop a ball.

[punkncat]

Electronic markers most easily address all the issues of chop.

Lvl 10 is already patented. The other "chopless" bolts work marginally at best. Lowered bolt pressures in a mechanical marker make velocity hard to get high enough due to having to recock against a heavy spring. May be some hope of overcoming that with pneumatically controlled mechs.

[PBX Ronin 23]

MMMM,

What makes you think a mechanical trigger system can't have an eye?

If the "eye" you're referring to is either a Beam Break or a Reflective one, then wouldn't you need to have circuity and battery to run it? If that's the case, why not just go to an electro since it would negate the mechanical advantage on not needing batteries?

But then again, you guys at PTP might have something else up your sleeves...hehehe.

New Tech is always cool. If you can get it out there, that's awesome!!

[steveo356]

welll maybe there could be a mini scale at the bottom f the breach that doesnt let the gun fineuntil its senses x amout of wieght. im not shure how this would work but it would be pick rollling side to side with a non forcefeed loader

[PBX Ronin 23]

Then you'll have small recesses and cavities for paint to pool into. How well will it work then under normal playing conditions.

[DaveSM]

If properly setted, a cocker could pinch ball as a mag do. You just have to reduce your cycling pressure. To do so you need an heavier hammer and a lighter back spring. I have seen mech cocker pinching balls and not even chopping so a pneumatic trigger wouldn't be a problem for them.

[hitech]

Well, since I don't want a cocker, and I do want a 'mag, I don't care about other mech. markers needing some sort of anti-chop system. The 'mag has an execelent one. Now we just need the trigger system.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

You could have electro eyes in something like the hAir or the PTP frame. You just need room for the board at such. The solution could be putting it up on the hopper. There is a power source, a board that you can replace or add another board.

Edit- Now how the eyes would stop the marker from firing is beyond me. And eye delay would be tricky as well.