Impulse and Angel Owners Need Your Help

[Richter]

we noticed in chicago nppl that using thin shelled pmi evil advantage that our angels did not like the paint. We broke alot down the barrel. Our frontman with an impulse did not break a ball down the barrel.
i have also notice during pactice days when angels seem to be breaking paint but his impulse does not break paint down the barrel. I really notices it this last december('01) when we went out to Grand Island NE to play with Poorman and some guys from warped. They were shooting thin shelled JT paint when it was a little cool outside. I notice a they had a few breaks down the barrel, Some people were sqeegeeing after a game. (all shooting angels) Our guy with the impulse though,... not a break. He shot some Jt paint taht ed gave him and diablo blaze for the day.

I am not one to judge what the breaks were from, Many of mine were from outshooting my rev on my angel. Also our front guy doesn't hose paint like myself. He usally snap shoots.

hope this helps

[pugsley]

tom

tom i like ur guns....oh this wont break paint ever, remember u said that tom..at ccp about a month ago? yea u do...i grabbed ur gun(anti chop eye)i started shooting slow..like 3 a sec then i was like ok then stopped shooting then got ready and started rippin and the 5th ball broke then so did 6th and it kept breaking.....haha u should have seen toms face....tom in the challenge cup video u see me kill everyone in a 1 on 5 and hang the flag with an emag i like them but if u want someone to really test ur guns.ask me i test guns to the limit and i know alot about how electronics work i know how to program lcd's...i know alot...and if u really want someone to test your guns...email me at [email protected].....i dont live too far from agd..i live in schaumburg...lmk...because i think i can help with your gun developments...and i can give u alot of feed back on ur guns...i love mags and i think u would find it useful to have me test ur guns

[pugsley]

my angel never breaks paint..its pugslafyed it rips...it is all the barrel selection u choose

[magic55]

one of my teamates has an impulse and the other has an angel and neither one breaks paint. they both preform very well on it just not as well as my matrix

[MINIMAGMAN]

well look at it from a technical point of view, i am not an expert so feel free to correct me.
IMPULSE-runs on very low PSI, which is why you can use C02 on it, because c02 has to be over 180 psi so it could freeze. Impulse with its low PSI input usually pinches balls and eliminates ball breakage in the breech with its vision eye. so the only problem with it if it chops balls, is its barrel.
ANGELS- i dont know much about these, i have shot them, and i think we can all say you cant chop a ball by shortstroking an angel, but they can outshoot revvie's and cause a chop, but if it had the vision eye like the impulse does, it wouldnt do that, so the only problem after that would be the bolt chopping the balls or the barrel.

[[NA]WARLORD]

I broke a few balls in mine (Impulse) and it had a vision eye, it was due to the balls being slightly out of round. It only cuts down on ball breakage, not eliminate it, dont buy into the B.S.

[Toxic Dave]

The difference between higher and lower pressure guns is the likelihood not to break paint in the breech and through air pressure hittign the ball hard. Obviously a gun running at 170 psi is much less likley to chop a ball or burst it through the pressure hitting the ball, than say a gun running at 400-700 psi, it's just basic physics.

As for CO2 not freezing below 180 psi, I dunno about that but my Impulse is all frozen up after a good game, but the max flow reg keeps out all the pesky liquid, and allows me to shoot lots and lots of shots every game!

As for gun never breaking paint with a vision eye or ACE of any kind that is indeed bs. They won't chop, but never break, yeah whatever.

dave/ toxic performance/ gzs

[pugsley]

tom kaye will understand what i said

[lonsch]

pugsley--- i was there the day you shot the ace. im the one you took the gun from. the gun you shoot had the wronge bolt in it and was breaking paint in the barrel. it never choped a ball. i was shooting it all night. that gun had a few different problmes too like the angel detent ball comming off. and a few under charged batteries.

[RSUAVE911]

I am going to have to go with an angel, I played with both markers. The was very smooth shooting and it never broke in my barrel but I was using good paint. I have shot an impulse and it chopped twice in the game which isn't too horrible, but the angel was still better.

[MINIMAGMAN]

As for CO2 not freezing below 180 psi, I dunno about that but my Impulse is all frozen up after a good game, but the max flow reg keeps out all the pesky liquid, and allows me to shoot lots and lots of shots every game!

thats what i said exactly the max flow reg lowers the psi below 180 so there wont be any liquid in the gun, i didnt say anything about the tank itself, the tank might freeze up everything around it, but the gun itself would be workin fine.

i think tom is trying to find out here is something that has to do with the vision eye, because hes in the process of making it and wanted some insight on whether it helps or not, am i right tom?

[Murdaki11]

i dont really think it that breaks the paint. Its the way the air hits the ball. Like operating pressure. Bolt has t a lot to do with this. im sure this has been said.

[magsRus]

I'M WRITING IN CAPS BECAUSE I WANT THIS POST TO BE NOTICED

MY UNCLE BREAKS MORE PAINT IN HIS ANGEL LCD IN A GAME THEN I DO WITH MY VISION IMPULSE IN 4 MONTHS


ENOUGH SAID

[Phweedo.com]

Neither really imo.. I owned a Impy for 8months and didn't break a single ball, either in the breach or barrel. A few of my teammates use angels (2 lcd's and 1 led) and I don't even remeber the last time they broke paint.

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by Toxic Dave
The difference between higher and lower pressure guns is the likelihood not to break paint in the breech and through air pressure hittign the ball hard. Obviously a gun running at 170 psi is much less likley to chop a ball or burst it through the pressure hitting the ball, than say a gun running at 400-700 psi, it's just basic physics.

As for CO2 not freezing below 180 psi, I dunno about that but my Impulse is all frozen up after a good game, but the max flow reg keeps out all the pesky liquid, and allows me to shoot lots and lots of shots every game!

As for gun never breaking paint with a vision eye or ACE of any kind that is indeed bs. They won't chop, but never break, yeah whatever.

dave/ toxic performance/ gzs

Not exactly, that is just another you guessed it SP myth. Air molecules are so small and light it wont break anything. If air pressure hitting the ball was the case the basic physics would tell us that if you picked ball up between our two fingers lightly it would crumble in our hands. Seemingly SP can't say anything true. It isnt physics it's carefully crafted deception.

Real physics is PV=nRT Pressure and volume are inversely proportional. If you double the volume of a container you half the pressure. And that increasing the volume to propell a ball in a low pressure gun will expose the ball to the same if not more air molecules than in a high pressure gun.

The real culprit is the G forces that the paintball encounters during accelertaion. AGD determined that low pressure guns have a longer pressure pulse (dwell) to allow slower flowing low air pressure to propell the ball to the desired velocity. Meaning instead of accelerating the ball at say 1000G's in the first 4 inches of the barel it accelerate the ball at 500 gs through 8 inches to acheive 300 FPS. That is true physics. The same effect can be achieved with a hypothetical 3000 psi gun if the pressure were released slow enough into the barrel. This is the reason behind the AGD powertube tip redesign a while back.

If you "gun dyno" a mag the in the barrel behind the ball pressure is actually less than 100 psi.

Dont say I didnt warn you about SP science, I have nothing against SP products, they work. But dont EVER EVER listen to thier reasoning. Historically they have been 100% wrong and probablity tells us that they will continue to be wrong. Its all part of thier low pressure high cost marketing strategy.