Impulse and Angel Owners Need Your Help

[Wat]

Angel

I played NEPL tournament paintball for 3 seasons. For 2.5 of them i ran an LED angel. Easily shot north of 20 cases. Never had a barrel break. I used the stock jacko then a 32 degree carbon fiber.

No barrel breaks...chops was a different story.

[Toxic Dave]

Butter;

The way I see it this; If I hit an object with 140 psi as opposed to 500 psi it will have less chance of being damaged. That's basic psyics, less force = less chance of my ball getting broken. You can figure out the size of N2 molecules if you want, but I KNOW that my Impulse breaks far fewer balls than my micromag. I suspect it has alot to do with the pressures contacing the ball, but you know what? it really isn't important to me what makes it happen, just that the results are good for me.

dave

[DaXtremeist]

watched an angel break paint down the barrel about 10 times. in 1 game using a Freak set. btw no flames cuz i have it on film. and the guy wich is on the team im on (Pure Adrenalin) even was pissed with the angel (bought me an impy after i saw that and hanet chopped in over a case of paint) had it since january 31'st

later

[Wat]

I have seen that .

I have also seen that paint all day.

[MAGS own YOU]

My friend just got a used LCD Cut and Carved Angel. We wanted to test it to see if we could break a ball. I played 2 games with it, no chops. Everyone else played a few games with it. No breaks all day. The barrel looked like it had just been cleaned. The angel is definately my next gun. I thought the trigger on my gun was the shortest ever, NO! This trigger is the lightest ever. There are about 5-10 a angels at my field and about 15 impulses. I know my friend wont like me saying this, but they do break paint. They chop more than an angel and that is a fact. I think paint to barrel match would have to do with breaking down the barrel. Ive never broken down the barrel to this day, so im not sure what to even look for.

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by Toxic Dave
Butter;

The way I see it this; If I hit an object with 140 psi as opposed to 500 psi it will have less chance of being damaged. That's basic psyics, less force = less chance of my ball getting broken. You can figure out the size of N2 molecules if you want, but I KNOW that my Impulse breaks far fewer balls than my micromag. I suspect it has alot to do with the pressures contacing the ball, but you know what? it really isn't important to me what makes it happen, just that the results are good for me.

dave

Ok you didnt get it... thats not what im saying... please take time to read this post there is alot of concepts and information so please bear with me.

What im saying is low pressure tends to break less balls BUT not because of the reason you or smart parts provide.

Its not the physycal force of the molecules hitting the ball. You realize by the time the air even hits the ball in an automag volume has increased so much by the bolt moving forward along the powertube piston and filling the void behind the ball that it is only 60 psi at the breach? And residual pressure is less than 50 psi? These are measured results, quoting TK's Gun Dyno... Thats lower than an impulse.

Its also basic physics. PV=NRT. In an automag you have a fixed volume chamber charged at 350 psi. When the gun fires it seals off additional air. As the bolt moves forward the volume of the chamber expands to around twice its size. According to the ideal gas law. This means that pressure drops to half, 175psi. Operating pressure is already lower than an impulse before the air even hits the ball. As air moves through the bolt and fills the void behind the paintball the pressure drops even further.

There are alot more factors than low pressure that causes ball breakage. We cant just say oh it breaks less paint its gotta be low pressure, no there are a thousand more variables to consider.

Low pressure's advantage isnt the low pressure "impact". Its the moderate acceleration curve it provides. Im saying if high pressure was realeased slowly it would mimic the effect of the low pressure acceleration curve.

Bottom line: Pressure "impacting" the ball is NEGLIGABLE, however acceleration curve properties of HP vs. LP are SIGNIFICANT.

The energy of a high volume low pressure blast of air is equivelent to a lower volume high pressure blast of air. If it wasent low pressure guns wouldent be able to achive high velocities.

[lonsch]

butterfingers

you are right on track about everything you have said except that the mag has peak pressure of 90psi not 60. all guns have peak pressure below 100 psi because a ball will not make it out of a gun if the peak pressure is above ~100psi. so if you want to think of it like that then all guns are "low pressure" guns in a way.

[mac2k4]

i know what your sayin, and just tryin to prove a point, but to any body else that thinks a lowpressure gun is goin to make them play better, well they're wrong. if ya have a viking, angel, angel IR3, impulse or definat, all of them are high end guns and are built well enough that ya can pick up all of them, get the best FEEL for them and shoot them and be just as good, as if ya picked up a shocker, excalibur, cocker that felt the same.....

just play your game and don't worry.

[AGDmagman2001]

(Splat Max posting again under bro's name)
Every gun has there myths.

Cocker=breaks alot
Mag=chops
Bushy=blender(I shot a case of cheap, low grade field paint in mine, and not a single chop, and just one break in the last game)
Same applies with the impulse

and the list goes on, the only way to truly know is to either own one yourself and know what your doing, or know someone who you know knows what there doing.
The way alot of myths start is by people who don't know what there doing
Cocker-messes with everything, doesn't know what there doing
Mag-short strokes, doesn't know the trigger
Bushy-not using a rev in some cases, and outshooting the rev, can happen with all electros, and some mechanics

[mykroft]

Toxic Dave: The actual energy hitting the ball depends on valve dwell, given the same valve dwell, the same pressure hits the ball for a given velocity whether you are shooting an Excalibur@90psi or a Spyder at 800(assuming paint-to barrel match is the same). The operating pressure of a gun affects bolt force more than anything. That's why LP guns chop less. Only very high bolt force blows up balls in the breach. Non-foamy Mags sometimes do this with brittle pant, but blowbacks using stiff springs & heavy strikers are the usual culprits.

The Angel is worse for barrel breaks, given a stock barrel. They're about identical whith a Freak kit. This is mostly due to the Angel using a tighter bore barrel, and the step bore being tighter as well (IIRC The Infinity's tip has an id of around .698 vs an AA's .700)

[FactsOfLife]

Never broke a ball in my Vision Imp. Ever.

[RaV3n_Pa1ntba||]

Angel, see my angel was on 323 FPS when i first got it. And i was to lazy to get the allen key set and lower it. And i filled the hopper up and started ripping on the trigger... shot just as good. Was extremely loud. But still shot good. No breaks on 4 month old team colors.

[Misery Machine]

Why would anyone go all the way back to February and dig this up?

[OldSchoolMag]

Seriously. I'm sorry, but I must follow through with our new rule - he/she who evokes ye olde thread gets the pie in ye face.

Ah, crap, I'm out of pie. Oh well.. next time, evil doers...

OSM

[Misery Machine]

I like pie!!!