Hot Off the MILL! Custom Extreme!!

[Dragoon]

Hmmm.... Guys lets just agree that you are both talented and end it at that.

As for my input:
expose the valve as much as possible
keep it simple and don't make it look too busy
remove as much material as possible

I would prefer to see something that had clean lines without a lot of decoration. A logo is good (AGD or a big X) that pertains to the marker, but I don't want to have to explain the design to someone. Let the custom mill shops do the really radical milling.

Douglas

[steveg]

Manike I'm wondering if maybe shartley intended those
fillets to be "inny" fillets instead of the "outty" fillets
that you are perceiving them as being. That being the case,
the reason for your objections to the design would be
reduced ???

[manike]

Dragoon

Thanks for your post you bring up some good points.

Originally posted by Dragoon
expose the valve as much as possible
keep it simple and don't make it look too busy
remove as much material as possible

I would prefer to see something that had clean lines without a lot of decoration. A logo is good (AGD or a big X) that pertains to the marker, but I don't want to have to explain the design to someone

Have you seen Dave's design? I think it is very much like what you are saying above.

Originally posted by Dragoon
Let the custom mill shops do the really radical milling.

LMAO this is custom mill shop work! Just because Tom posted the pictures does not mean these are the stock versions of the extreme for a whole model year or anything like that! That's why I was trying to do a few things that are very radical. These are not going to be high production items but quite limited edition versions. They may even be made to order!

manike

[manike]

Originally posted by steveg
Manike I'm wondering if maybe shartley intended those
fillets to be "inny" fillets instead of the "outty" fillets
that you are perceiving them as being. That being the case,
the reason for your objections to the design would be
reduced ???

At the front yes, but the front of the second gun has exactly that set up at the moment. It's just hard to see the fillet because it is in raw aluminium.

but not at the back at the back that high up it would make them even more likely to go into the bolt area unless they were very tiny fillets such as 1mm, in which case they wouldn't look like fillets just lines pretty much.

You could do a convex fillet at the back but you would need to start much lower down the body (again concave would be better). You could also do it at the front but it would need to start of very sharp because of the material that has already been milled away (I'm trying to get blanks that haven't been milled like that so the front would be quite possible.)

I believe the idea of 'melting' the shape that Shartley mentioned implied rounding off the corners. Concave fillets leave sharp lines and edges.

The front I could get to be very simliar to Shartleys image the back is just not really possible. If I was starting from a larger block of material it would be though...

The image with all the angled lines would never look like that again because of all the material that has already been removed. You would not be able to get that visual effect as the lines went from the battery up to the body. You could do the body (it would look like another prototype we did, maybe I can get pics) but it would still have the lines as they go up coming out over the 3D surface (there is no way it can be planar and clean due to material already removed). This means the lines would look like they do on the Aztec body just without following the vertical shape at the front and back. It would just be the horizontal bits. Shartley could photo shop that up and see if he was happy with it. Of that I have no doubt.

manike

[manike]

Actually it would be more like the angled lines at the back of the body moved to the front. That I can do easily and should (?) be easy to photoshop for someone who knows what they are doing with photoshop (i.e. not me! :) )

manike

[steveg]

manike I take it than you are starting with already finished xtreme body's and not the raw extrusion ?

[manike]

Originally posted by steveg
manike I take it than you are starting with already finished xtreme body's and not the raw extrusion ?

Exactly! At the moment this is the situation and it is very limiting (and quite annoying at times to be honest).

AGDE are already looking to take steps to take this issue forwards.

manike

[Dragoon]

Originally posted by manike
LMAO this is custom mill shop work! Just because Tom posted the pictures does not mean these are the stock versions of the extreme for a whole model year or anything like that! That's why I was trying to do a few things that are very radical. These are not going to be high production items but quite limited edition versions. They may even be made to order!

manike [/B]

Ya I guess I fell into the trap of associating you as an AGD designer. Sorry about that. As for limited quantities, I've been waiting for the Extreem C&C that AGDE said they would be doing. I'm looking for a very lite streamlined version of the Extreem. I'm looking to buy so keep me in mind if you have a body you'd like to sell (that sounds a little kinky...), prototype or otherwise.

Douglas

PS I do like Dave's version, but I would prefer something that's less flowing and organic. I like clean and crisp.

[manike]

Sorry I appear to be making more confusion. I do not work for AGD (almost did once but that is another story).

These are AGDE's prototypes for their 'Custom C&C Extremes'. They have the CNC mill but I am helping them with the designs and NC code programes (my real job is running a CAD/CAM company).

What do you mean by streamlined? I am putting ideas together for a pro version which would do something like that. Please do sketch out an image of what you mean on one of the images I posted up elsewhere. Feel free to post it in this thread or any of the other relevant ones :) I will find it.

manike

[gmag]

Shartley:12 yr. old with a cocker....

Thats a ridiculous implication. There is no place on AO for that crap.

[Dragoon]

Originally posted by manike
What do you mean by streamlined? I am putting ideas together for a pro version which would do something like that. Please do sketch out an image of what you mean on one of the images I posted up elsewhere. Feel free to post it in this thread or any of the other relevant ones :) I will find it.

manike

I took a look at one of the other bodies you did and I liked it a lot. I just trimmed off the back to fit with my desire to have the valve exposed and reduce the weight even more. I did a quick job in Photoshop. I'm not that skilled so I did not add the valve, but I'm sure you could picture it



I'd buy this once it was anno'd.

Douglas.

[FooTemps]

That is completely impossible... How would the valve be held in? The extreme is just like any other mag and need to be held in by the screw. You could chop some off but not that much.

And...

Here's an idea if those feasible but off the wall designs could be custom ordered. "Radical E-Mag"

[Dragoon]

Or to smooth out the back a little add a simpler back end. This would help make the marker look less blocky, but still keep it simple, clean, and expose a lot of the valve.

Sorry about my rudimentory Photoshop skills.

[Dragoon]

Originally posted by FooTemps
That is completely impossible... How would the valve be held in?

Ahh.. yes. Some material would have to be left under the valve to take up the space of the standard rail and the thickness of the current SS body.

Douglas

Edit: There, added some more meat to the second pic.

[FooTemps]

Yeah, I forgot to add that too.