NPPL and NO MAGS!

[MindJob]

Unfortunatley for AGD and mags, the market is the driving force here... and what I don't understand is why the public is being denied what it wants. Obviously, electro guns with these enhancements are what the paying public is buying. THe fact that there is no such board for e/x-mags is the reason why they never really caught on. Not that they arent great guns, and no, I wouldnt give up my X-mag for anything out on the market. However, it would be nice to have some of the features that the other guns have. If you want to call them 'cheater boards', then fine, but the bottom line is that this is where the market moved to, and having an marker without them is PERCIEVED to be a disadvantage.

AGD was slow to the market with an electro marker, and it was a mistake. Legal issues aside, I would like to see them do something in the future that would help them gain back market share and get back to the top where they belong.

Personallly, I wish I had one of those ramp boards for my gun, just so I can shut people up.

[yakitori]

I just wish that AGD would release a better software update. BTW, you can get a predator II board installed in your emag w/ eyes for 350

[DiRTyBuNNy]

no offence to any one, but mags just arent what they were. for te past few years, everyone has ben saying this is what will bring mags into the light. first off was the x-mag. everyone thought, mag, level 10, and ace, light weight etc etc is the perfect combo. and it pretty much was, did it make mags more popular? NO. how about level 10? decreased efficiency, not good, and not what the general public wants. again not good. Ule mods, lightened mags even further, still didnt revolutionize the mag. How about the hair? i still doubt it will revolutionize mags. maybe here on ao, but not in the public eye.

I have felt the hair, and it truely is amazing for a mech to have that pull, but John Q public, isnt going to go dumping their 1000+lectro for a mech mag. they just arent. i have shot cockers with lighter triggers than the hair, and when was the last time you saw a mech cocker really rocking the tourny scene? 2001.

Face it guys, the mag just isnt what it used to be. back in 96 the mag and cocker dominated the tourny scene, but from then on, no one has evenr eally used them, until the jax warriors got on their winning streak. where are the warriors now? who knows! when was the last time you really heard a damn thing about em? never.

I wont take any thing away from the kids, they did really well before agd dropped em, and i give em props, but they didnt hit the big time big enough to really be noticed. all any one seems to care about is what ______ team is shooting, and the marker that has the lightest trigger, the easiest ways to get the bounce( or get rid of, or cheat with) with___ marker.

Look, i used to be the biggest mag fanboy, but now, im all about the matrix. the mag like design is a plus, but the awesome triggers on the dm4 and dm5, the lightened body, the awesome performance, the no chop bolt pressure, and the ace ontop of that, not to mention that it can be tailored to my needs even more than my sfl e-mag, makes me gleem with joy.


Guys, come on, the mags are still great, but agd has realized, until the mag name goes away, that there really is no market in the tourny scene for mags any more. no one wants em, they still have the negative connotation that they once had, despite the developments made to improve em, and everone still says EWWW a mag? my impy runs circles around it, or my timmy pwns it, etc etc. and in my general opinion, they are correct. an impy ruins a mech mag, and in some cases, a well tuned e-mag. sorry guys, but i feel it is the truth

Wasn't I saying something like this two years ago only to get booed and ridiculed by everyone on here?

[DiRTyBuNNy]

This weekend in San Diego (where I live) the NPPL super 7 series was in town.
Not once did I hear the word "Automag" spoken from anyone's mouth but mine.

I know the company isn't doing much right now, but I am DISAPPOINTED at the lack of representation there and in California in general.

Just my random thoughts about the representation of automags and the lack thereof.

Automags ROCK

-Paul

umm...well...no hard feelings man...but if you put $0 into public relations...you're going to get $0 worth of publicity out of it...AGD has foresaken California since the mid 90's..and well...look where we are...

[adt501]

Face it guys, the mag just isnt what it used to be. back in 96 the mag and cocker dominated the tourny scene, but from then on, no one has evenr eally used them, until the jax warriors got on their winning streak. where are the warriors now? who knows! when was the last time you really heard a damn thing about em? never - magman007


Jax Warriors still play, infact they play pro x ball. Are they doing well? No.....but guess what they shoot now? E-Blade Cockers. Infact, the team changed its name to Jacksonville WORRiors, and they did this in 2002. Several players left because they were loyal to the mag. I've met a few of those guys (that left). Worr Games simple offered more money/sponsorship/whatever.

Everyone has to feed the monkey. Who cares what the pros shoot, they are shooting whatever they are shooting because someone gave it to them. Why is it people dont understand this?

If you feel mags are old, or whatever, and arent tourny grade markers, go buy something else. No ones putting a gun to your head (pun intended).

Hey, guess what guys? If a gun can shoot a paintball, then it is tourny grade, because uber speed and hawt milling really dosent win games, contrary to popular belief. A friend of mine, who at one time played on teams such as Image and Aftershock, and who could shoot like no other, told me that whatever gun you have to master it, be it a matrix or slingshot. Whatever could shoot paint. He said if you could fire a gun at the ground and hit a broken paintball in the ground everytime, then the gun was accurate enough to win games.

That guy taught me to snapshoot, and I thank him everytime I see him, because being able to properly snapshoot gives me the ability to take out the little kids that believe in hype and spend fifteen hundred on some new bolt-over-ram design that the companies keep crapping out every six months with new milling and color options.

You know that old saying, its the player not the gun? No matter how many times people say it, it seems no one listens to it. I guess some people are ether soft spoken or some people cant hear. Oh well

[Dayspring]

No, it was because you were an arsehat...

Wasn't I saying something like this two years ago only to get booed and ridiculed by everyone on here?

[CrimsonGhost]

Popularity is a fickle thing aint it?

Nuff said.

[Kaiser Bob]

The best way for AGD to jump back into mass popularity would be to stay off the radar for a while, make something that at least looks a little different (cover the valve with a sticker or something :P) and then put the new guns in the hands of a team on the rise, then everyone would be like, whoa xxx is playing with some sick new gats from this new company, AGD!

[adt501]

^^^ Exactly

The mass buying public is stupid

Going full bore with scenario equipment is a really smart move on AGDs part, do to the high level of profit and the amount of players that play scenario

Its so hard to build and sell equipment for tourny players, because there is high competition, misconceptions from the buying public, and the fact that everything has been made at least three times already, therefore there is nothing new under the sun, and R+D for new technologie is so expensive.

AGD has so much going for it, and most people dont even realize what AGD has done for paintball as we know it. Yes, in the mid 90s AGD was the pinnacle of technology, and had something like the LV 10 been out then, it would be a whole different world now. But you see, AGD had the unfortunant posistion of being one of the first companies to really make competitive equipment, and when your the first one, all your mistakes are your own, and others can build on what you made without your mistakes. Get the picture?

Theres a lot of mis conceptions about AGD (mags chop, etc). Right now is not a good time to bring out a new electro or whatever it is people want from Airgun, because the market is not good for it. Look at all the markers coming out now, its swamped. Choices are good, but remember, R+D costs so much money, so alot of these guns are identical to each other, and the prices are too high

Look at Eclipse. Granted, its a company renowned for an excellent product, and it has a new gun out, and guess what? Its just like every timmy/bushy/imp whatever the hell. Im not bashing the gun (im sure its a well built gun) but come on, theres enough of those out now.

If AGD bides its time and develops a brand new gun, new design and everything, dosent use the word mag, whatever whatever, and then unleashes the gun on an unsuspecting audience, markets it well (not AGDs strong point ).....people forget easily, and may be willing to buy from AGD again.

Until that time, dont expect AGD to do anything but sell tac ones and rt pros. They've even said themselves thats what they're gonna do for awhile

[drewrw]

i dont understand AGD makes the fastest mech gun in the world, so why are you guys arguing over what they should do next. THEY have ALREADY done it...........electo----e or x mag what more can i say.... AGD rules.... anybody who says otherwise i would love to play them with my RT ULE custom...............

[Rhinopkc]

Why are you worried about whether AGD is popular or not? If you like AGD guns, buy AGD guns. You're as bad as the kids who have to have the gun of the month because they saw _______ team using it. Why care about AGD's marketing? You don't own the business, and you have no idea what their business plan is, it shouldn't matter to anyone, as long as they produce a product that you like, buy it. Don't be a sheep, and don't worry about what the other sheep are doing, do your own thing and be original.

[MindJob]

I just wish that AGD would release a better software update. BTW, you can get a predator II board installed in your emag w/ eyes for 350

Im actually considering it, minus the eyes. The ACE works just fine IMO. $350 is a steep price for some soldering. Im considering doing it myself or getting a hold of Tunaman and see what he wants to wire it for me.

[magman007]

No, it was because you were an arsehat...

nick, no offence, but maybe it was comments like that that turned him into an arsehat?

[rathbaster]

I played 6 scenarios and 2 big games this year. At all of the events there were a LOT of people carrying mags. A recent poll about favorite scenario guns placed mags near the top of the list (can't remember the site I saw that on...)

I picked up a mag only a few weeks ago to try out as a scenario gun (its the only time I use a semi) and was favorably impressed this past weekend at a 7 hour scenario.

Scenario players like myself are not concerned with BPS, so long as its "plenty fast". I'm more concerned with reliability, durability and endurance (for those 26-48 hours games).

I also don't want to haul the kitchen sink to the field with me, particularly on those far-from-home games in other states where I'm also packing cloths, food and other things. Last weekend I took 1 allen wrench, some spare tank o-rings and a few spare elbows. That was it. My cocker required a pile of spare parts "just in case" as well as far more tools just to field strip it and I am always hesitant to fiddle with the cocker overnight during long games or just before the weekend of a big event...I've learned the hard way on that one.

One of my friends is now a Tac One user and is favorably impressed. Several other friends looked at it and declared that they also needed one for scenarios in the future.

-Rath

[Kaiser Bob]

Why are you worried about whether AGD is popular or not? If you like AGD guns, buy AGD guns. You're as bad as the kids who have to have the gun of the month because they saw _______ team using it. Why care about AGD's marketing? You don't own the business, and you have no idea what their business plan is, it shouldn't matter to anyone, as long as they produce a product that you like, buy it. Don't be a sheep, and don't worry about what the other sheep are doing, do your own thing and be original.

I think most people's concern here isn't that they want the mag they have to be but more along the lines of if AGD's product line become so far off the radar that noone buys them new, and nothing is done about it then there might not be an AGD or an AO to hang out at in the future.