NPPL and NO MAGS!

[SSMercury]

Actually, think about the situation that automags were designed for, and think about the current tournament scene, and think about what's come out for the mag over the years.

An X-Mag really is just a platform for the AIR valve, like the automag was in the 90's. But you really can't kill the mag without killing the AIR valve, it's almost what makes a 'mag, fundamentally.

Many inventions of AGD have been aimed at tournament play, but almost all are adaptable to scenario play. The Level 10 bolt was the perfect device for the ultra-brittle paint. Mags are now possible to get entirely aluminum essentially, not the heavy, rugged stainless of the automag. Grips, warp feed, flatline, etc., all can be used for making an awesome tournament set up.

But all that crap wasn't around in scenarios, and arguably still isn't needed in scenarios. Do you NEED an electro in scenarios? Personally, I wouldn't, under the KISS philosophy, electropneumatics mean one more thing that can break.

AGD is doing a smart thing, going back to paintball's roots when it started being "a big thing".

[xXHavokXx]

So, How are the Chicks...

Hot but all bundled up, its a freezing cold 61* today.

If you rely on a 30bps electro you are a target but if you add a little skill to it you're effective. While it is possible to bunker anayone with a pump, slingshot or ortherwise it is just as possible to get laned out on the way to it.

[magman007]

electric hoppers have nothing to do with what marker you use they just keep the paint moving so you dont have to shake your gun. Unless your lying paint for cover like a back player that needs 30bps. As far as your coment of a front player throwing as much in as little time is good but how many shot s do you actual get off not 30bps you pop out shoot and cover. Lastly I don't know alot about the metrix nor did I claim to. By your own post they are easy to fix just do this or this. All I said is that it needed to fixed when my MAG was always ready. They are great guns no doubt just priceie. Does a $1500 gun make you a better player or do you think you could play as good with a mech gun. PS why are you magman if you play with a metrix? MAG's reasonable price always ready little easy maintance.

FIRST OFF ITS A MATRIX no e. I play with a trix, because i saw the light, i used to be a huge mag fan, and i still support AGD in every way, but the marker isnt top tourny spec for me any more. I had an sfl e-mag, so dont try telling me i didnt have a top of the line mag.

Also, look at AFTICA at the 2k4 iao, they had more mag problems than any one could imagine! And i give aftica mad props for continuing to play on. my old team, REPRESENT!

i could play just fine with a mech marker, but i will not be at the top of my game trying to pulla 4 lb trigger instead of a 25g switch.



adt, no one needs a high speed electro, but the advantage of having one is just that, an advantage.

does any one see the points i have made as to why there are no mags on the tourny scene any more?

[adt501]

why are mags not in the tourny scene????

um, cause agd sponsors few tourny teams, non pro

thats why

very simple

[magman007]

correction, they dont sponsor any tourny teams any more

[drewrw]

correction its 3lbs and 15 ounces with ult......

[adt501]

there are a few teams they sponsor, am i right? im sure there are a few, I know TK has mentioned some

my point, if a tournament team is not sponsored by a product.....then you wont see that product on the tourny scene.....therefore proving my point

[robb2269]

be happy

15oz pull is less than a 1lb when the HAir comes out it will be 2oz with a valve that can keep up. Keep palying with your Matrix buying batteries in bulk with paint in bulk and I'm having just as much fun with my $500 MAG. What does it matter anyway would you be using a MAG if 5 por teams did? "Make your own foot prints for others to follow." Play safe play hard dont wipe.

[magman007]

there are a few teams they sponsor, am i right? im sure there are a few, I know TK has mentioned some

my point, if a tournament team is not sponsored by a product.....then you wont see that product on the tourny scene.....therefore proving my point

nope, only scenario teams now.



batteries, well i replace them every 20,000 shots, you will have to adjust your lvl 10 time and time again before i replace a battery.


buying paint in bulk? why because i play back and i believe in supporting my frontmen off the break? good point there



it wasnt a personal attack on your marker, it was what i have noticed. now you have made it personal. good job, i have found a new senseless member for my ignore list.


Play with what you want, i answered the threads question, and no one seems to accept the answer, its thickheaded on your part. I explained why the mag isnt tourny capable any more in my eyes, and people tried to tell me i was wrong, WTF?

i respect mag users, it isnt that im hating on them, i am just stating the facts. Ive shot every mag under the sun, even fiddled the hair trigger. it is nice, i wont deny that, colin came up with something amazing there. But still, my dm5 with a 25g switch, is still faster than the hair mag, atleast for me.

plus, the HAIR reduces efficiency even more than before. Jeesh, its getting like the old shocker here!

[adt501]

the hostility in the air.....

i sense a disturbance in the force

shoot what you like, no need to flame

and, as for the matrix, its not a perfect marker by no means, but there is no such thing

to each his own

[adt501]

actually magman007, robb2269 does make one good point....

the fact that he only dropped 500 on his gun

you have a toxic trix, a dm4...and a your getting a dm5

so, your going to have 3 identical guns (yes, i said identical), at what cost?

if the matrix was as reliable as you say (you said something earlier about never missing a game with a matrix repair) then why would you need 3 of them in your gearbag? honest question

and, people can miss games from matrix repairs. that statement was kinda foolish. any gun can break down, and you may not be able to fix it or have the parts to fix it. a buddy of mine podded for the ironmen when they were using gen e matrixs (before dye bought the matrix), and i forget what tournament it was for, but he was telling me they had all sorts of problems getting the guns up and running, that the entire team had thirty guns total to use, and they needed that number just to field a ten man team at any given tim. and the ironmen had gen e techs with them at all times. so yes, **** happens.

but the matrix is a great gun, ive owned LEDs, LCDs and a DM4, and i loved them

but what i like about robbs point of view is he only dropped 500 to get the gun hes using now and loves, and look at what 3 matrixes are going to cost you. this is not a flame to you, just an observation

[magman007]

actually, i said i have OWNED i dont own either at the moment, currently i have a viking, which is going away for a dm5. The matrix is so simple to repair, unless it is a blown noid, the marker can be setup in 5 mins or less, the noid takes about 10 mins to repair, as you need to dissassemble it, reseal the gasket, and clear derbis from it. unless a wiring harness comes unsoldiered, you are set to go.

You really just need to understand how the marker opperates, then determine which oring needs replacement. pretty simple

[adt501]

sorry man, misread your post. play on

[Lorenz0666]

Play with what you want, i answered the threads question, and no one seems to accept the answer, its thickheaded on your part. I explained why the mag isnt tourny capable any more in my eyes, and people tried to tell me i was wrong, WTF?

i respect mag users, it isnt that im hating on them, i am just stating the facts. Ive shot every mag under the sun, even fiddled the hair trigger. it is nice, i wont deny that, colin came up with something amazing there. But still, my dm5 with a 25g switch, is still faster than the hair
posted by magman007

i dont think you're wrong, i agree with you

all right i have a mag and love it i will never get rid of it, i have shot almost every gun out there, i also ref all three aspects of paintball (rec, tourny, scenario) and this is my breakdown of that:
rec ball, doesnt matter what you use, i've seen a guy snapshot out two flys and a shocktech dm4 with a sniper 2, but i have also watched people get mowed by those same guns

tourny: cold hard truth, mags are not good for tourny use, at least not a high end degree, i was at the psp chicago open and this is what i seen, dm4s, shockers, and timmies, three cockers and one team with mags, AGD pride, and i'll be honest they didnt do very well, and were're laughed at quite a bit, no i know i'm going to catch alot of heat for that, but mags in all honestly now considered fastenough

scenario:two guns tippmanns and mags, great for scenario, i think tom is doing the right thing by looking towrads here, personlly i'v had freinds that are all about the tourny ball call me up to use a my mag so they can hae the right gun for it.

bottom line if you want a tourny grade gun its going to be a mag at least not now, maybe not for a while thanks to sp, but who cares if you want to shoot a mag, shoot a mag, you want a faster then sin electro gun then get that faster then sin electro, tourny is a fashion show, and if agd wants to get inn that scene then they need to get in the trend or it wont happen.




P.S.
61* in cali? bundled up? jebus thats shorts and a wife beater weather for me!

[drewrw]

For some people the only thing that matters in the paintball world is how many damn paintballs per second they can shoot. Those people are NEWBS THAT SUCK!!!! THATS MY POINT MAGMAN PROVE ME WRONG PLEASE. Oh wait you cant all you can say is "my dm5 with a 25mg switch can shoot faster!!" NOBODY cares about your stupid dm5 shooting 9 million balls per second..... all i care about is the sheer joy of AIMING AT MY TARGET lol PLEASE this post should shut you up but i know it wont because your still flapping your *POOF* beaters....