NPPL and NO MAGS!

[scpaintballer01]

lets just be greedy while we still have our little niche that nobody notices. Their loss is our gain.

[felony]

who cares?

[Magaman]

[penguinpunk555]

Mags are hyped.

[VFX_Fenix]

I dunno, I was at the Commander's Cup and I did see one piece of AGD stuff. At the CSG booth they had a couple Automag Jerseys from the AO. That was kinda cool, though I certainly would have liked to see Tom kickin' around, Budd Orr was there gosh dernit.

Edit: Oh yeah, and Tom, it's been like 13 years man, can we have a new platform please? Like waht, I don't know, it's always been AGD's thing to think outside the box, just... you know... a little something different besides refining the same block of Stainless into the lovely piece of machinery that it is today?

[Bolter]

and that is nothing against you, but do you really attribute that to the marker? or to exceptional playing skills? also what trends in europe have really made it here to the US?

ok not meaning to sound all flamy, but we work very hard at our game, and the Xmag has proved to us that it is a contender. We used warps and teams loathed us. Now we use Halo fed centre feeds and the sheer firepower enables us to control certain areas and aspects of the game. I have not been up against a "legal" gun yet that is as fast and doesn't chop paint like my X. It helps me no end. So yes the gun does help alot. Alot!

What trends in Europe have made it to the states? Well lets see now......

the Angel marker - made in England
the E-blade - made in England
the Timmy - Manike/NPS - English/US combination (Manike put me right if Im not)
the Xmag - Manike I believe helped with this also - AGDEurope/John Sosta - England

wait what else is there......

Sup-Airball - Laurent Hamet (sp ) - France

and Im sure there are more.

[B.A.M.]

i dont really care if people dont except mags but at my field people actually respect and many love them. I always have people saying that they love my mag better that there's. I even once had some guy with a timmy ask me to use my mag and he said he loved it and might get one for a back up. but i think my situation is very rare

[magman007]

ok not meaning to sound all flamy, but we work very hard at our game, and the Xmag has proved to us that it is a contender. We used warps and teams loathed us. Now we use Halo fed centre feeds and the sheer firepower enables us to control certain areas and aspects of the game. I have not been up against a "legal" gun yet that is as fast and doesn't chop paint like my X. It helps me no end. So yes the gun does help alot. Alot!

What trends in Europe have made it to the states? Well lets see now......

the Angel marker - made in England
the E-blade - made in England
the Timmy - Manike/NPS - English/US combination (Manike put me right if Im not)
the Xmag - Manike I believe helped with this also - AGDEurope/John Sosta - England

wait what else is there......

Sup-Airball - Laurent Hamet (sp ) - France

and Im sure there are more.

ok, touchet with the supairball but, if you notice, all of the current trends really come from the west coast. the style, etc etc. but that is a different discussion completely.

have you ever shot a dm4? or even an old matrix with eyes? they chop just as little as my sfl did, and i had that lvl 10 set up amazingly.

i wasnt aware that the x-mag helped you all so much and im glad it has, but in all honesty, people are more comfortable playing with what is out now, rof is easier to achieve etc etc.

[adt501]

the E-blade - made in England - the e blade may be cool, but certainly not the first cocker e grip

the Xmag - Manike I believe helped with this also - AGDEurope/John Sosta - England - as nice as the x-mags are, they are simply cut up e mags with an eye that few people actually use

the Timmy - Manike/NPS - English/US combination (Manike put me right if Im not) - Bob Longs invention, not Manikes, not putting down Manike in any way

the Angel marker - made in England - ok, ill give you that one


Sup-Airball - Laurent Hamet (sp ) - France - ok, ill give you that one too

except.....................we taught europeans how to PLAY paintball...........and you guys are still trying to learn it

[AGDlover]

AGD is focusing towards scenario ball. I don't think that the NPPL counts as a scenario event.

but as far as most members on this fourm goes were not all crazy about scenario ball. and honnestly about the hair its just going to be another upgrade and people on here think its going to solve all the "mags suck" problems but its not. people will go "hey thats cool" but will still think the same way its not going to change anything as far as turny ball your all forgeting 96% are using higher end electros. and a military desighn put on a paintball gun honnestly wont be that special. just my 2cents

[tony3]

None of those things you listed are trends, they are products, that happened to be developed in Europe. Thats like saying since nike shoes are made in china, we got the trend of nike shoes from china. Doesn't make any sense.

The whole, oh gosh, we need to drop the mag name is the stupidest idea ever. You make a good gun, put it in the hands of good teams, sponsors people, advertise a lot. Show up to major tournies in big trailers and tents. You can have a popular gun. Look at ICD they adapted to the market to keep up, AGD though did not. If agd made a good gun which they are very capable of, they would be popular. I don't think Tom really wants all that though, I think he wants to keep the company on the smaller side. Just my thought.

[Bolter]

None of those things you listed are trends, they are products, that happened to be developed in Europe. Thats like saying since nike shoes are made in china, we got the trend of nike shoes from china. Doesn't make any sense.

they are trends. The angel was the first e gun, i dont care what smart parts say. That was a major new trend in paintball.

Sup-air was a major turning point in paintball also, so I consider that a trend you guys (and the whole of paintball for that matter) have picked up on.

The whole Nike shoes in China thing was a bad analogy Im afraid. The Angel, E-blade, Xmag and Supair were all designed in the countries they are made in. They are products that are now imported to most paintballing nations. Nike designs in US, then produces in China, completely different. So by your post you mean that the Angel is a US product seeing as the vast majority of Angel users are US?

[cognomen]

If AGD wants to re-establish themselves in the tourney scene, then they're going to have to market a product that appeals to the tourney scene whether or not one considers it a "trend." The sport is evolving, and in order for a company to survive, it has to evolve with the demands of the market. I don't mind the "Mag" name, just as long as AGD's customer service doesn't diminish as their popularity has. And by all means, AGD should not shy away from the "Mag" name if they were ever to re-gain that popularity. It's just a matter of further R&D and good marketing, as well as intelligent and diligent lawyers.

Many complaints that I hear about Mags are that they're not gas efficient, not fast enough, not upgradeable, or just out-dated. There may be some validity to the issue of gas inefficiency, depending on who you're talking to, but other than that I love my X-Mag and the way it performs...and it's stylish too .

At the Commander's Cup, I saw one player move up to the 50 and had a great angle on 2 opponents but his gun jammed for whatever reason and wasn't able to take them out. Eventually, he was taken out as he kept banging his gun to get it to operate. Now, if his problem was electrically, then I would've just switched my X-Mag to mechanical mode and kept on playing. Other people one maintain this stigma with Mags are amazed to hear that I can switch to mechanical mode in the middle of a game and keep on playing. Or better yet, just play in hybrid mode and not really notice that the electronics have failed. What other top tourney gun can do this?

[magman007]

im affraid he is right, they are products, not trends. a trend would be like the fake gucci headbands etc etc. most of which the west coast sets, and everyone else follows because its cool. sup air i will give to you, it was invented, and now everyone uses it. that is about it

[hobbesTZ]

If 'mags didn't sell AGD wouldn't exist anymore. The tournament scene isn't the biggest part of paintball. Rec/Scenarios are where AGD is at, and that's fine because that's where the majority of us are.

At the big game for the last day at Adventure Games in NH there were more 'mags than there were electros, Take that as you will.