When did AGD devleop the R/T

[skipdogg]

AGD is always ahead of their time. That is one of the MANY reasons why Tom/AGD is the coolest.

[BlackVCG]

the backpack?

LOL please dont

Actually, no.

[hitech]

The same thing is true for the next generation warp feed, not enough interest to bring it to the next level so it isnt happening.

You have some prototypes then? I imaqine you are not interested in selling a very loyal, finder of vortex shedding, customer a prototype, are you?

And, I'm serious. If you're willing to sell me a prototype of the next gen. warp feed I want to buy it.

If you still have the working backpack version, I'd really like that!

[GT]

The RT valve was prototyped and shooting in the field in 1991. AGD

dam!

[warbeak2099]

Do you see how these two statments don't match up.

That "Sweetspot" is giving you full auto or at the very least bursts.

No, it's not full auto lol. A sweetspotted RT isn't full auto and niether is a Tippmann RT. It's still only firing one shot per trigger cycle. It's just cycling the trigger very fast like bounce on an RT style valve. The adjustability of it has nothing to do with f/a. There is no way to adjust the RT to be full auto. It's just like cranking up an adjustable tank on an RT valve. That's what I meant when I said they are the same principle. I meant they basically work the same. I know the RT was developed to recharge faster and yes the bounce is a nice side-effect. But the principle of putting air pressure on the trigger thus resetting it rapidly after every pull is the same in each setup.

[slade]

yes, if a rt trigger can be sweetspotted it is full auto. if the marker will fire continually if a constant pressure is applied and not released, then it is full auto. its just a different full auto than in other markers, where the trigger does not have to move for the marker to fire.

[Dayspring]

Not really. The Mag has always worked that way. The Tippmann one hasn't. They had to jury rig a setup to do it.

But the principle of putting air pressure on the trigger thus resetting it rapidly after every pull is the same in each setup.

[TheTramp]

No, it's not full auto lol. A sweetspotted RT isn't full auto and niether is a Tippmann RT. It's still only firing one shot per trigger cycle. It's just cycling the trigger very fast like bounce on an RT style valve.

lol That's just semantics.

It is "effectively" giving you full auto. IE you pull and hold and more than one shot comes out. It doesn't matter if the trigger is moving because your finger isn't and the effect is the same.

[AGD]

Heck I'll even show you where we were going with the warp. In this version the warp is mounted central to the gun and integrated around the tank and regulator. From the outside, the tank and hopper look like one piece with the fill ports on either side between the front and rear grip. What is shown here is a photochop cutaway view. The balls feed up through the front grip and into the side of the gun.

No offset weight, no hose sticking out, nothing on top of the gun, no addtional bulk, no addtional weight, structurally integrated into the gun so you can superman in and not break it off. Ashame it will never happen.


AGD

[skipdogg]

Tom,
I'm curious why you say it will "never" happen.

[warbeak2099]

lol That's just semantics.

It is "effectively" giving you full auto. IE you pull and hold and more than one shot comes out. It doesn't matter if the trigger is moving because your finger isn't and the effect is the same.

Actually your finger is still moving back and forth. You're still pulling the trigger back every shot. The reactivity just allows you to do it faster. So if you regard the Tippmann RT as f/a then so is the AGD RT.

And Dayspring, all I meant was that they work on the same principle. They both reset the trigger faster by pushing it forward with a piston under air pressure. I'm not talking about how the two products came to be or when or who's is more refined. In the general sense they do the same thing. That's it, I've been trying to come up with a statement to correctly sum up what I'm sayin and there it is... they do the same thing.

[Muzikman]

Actually your finger is still moving back and forth. You're still pulling the trigger back every shot. The reactivity just allows you to do it faster. So if you regard the Tippmann RT as f/a then so is the AGD RT.

And Dayspring, all I meant was that they work on the same principle. They both reset the trigger faster by pushing it forward with a piston under air pressure. I'm not talking about how the two products came to be or when or who's is more refined. In the general sense they do the same thing. That's it, I've been trying to come up with a statement to correctly sum up what I'm sayin and there it is... they do the same thing.

The big diference is how much force is used. The RT is ~2x as much pushing the trigger forward as it takes to pull back. The Tippmann is well above that. And for all intense and purposes, sweetspotting is F/A. You are not moving your finger, the trigger is. Also you have to adjust the Automag to sweetspot, the Tippmann you have to play with it to get it not to sweetspot. There is a difference.

[Muzikman]

Tom, when can i get me a new style warp

[hitech]

Tom, when can i get me a new style warp

You know, I REALLY wasn't kidding. I can't even play without a warp anymore. I'm not sure I know how. I know it improves my ability on the field. I can handle myself against "tournament" players even though I only play a few times a year. I was always the last one alive (and shooting back). I even outlasted Darryl formally of Bob Long's Ironmen.

So Tom, do you still have that rumored backpack warp? I would have a grand ole time showing it off at the scenario game at Fort Ord.

[TheTramp]

Actually your finger is still moving back and forth. You're still pulling the trigger back every shot. The reactivity just allows you to do it faster. So if you regard the Tippmann RT as f/a then so is the AGD RT.

I guess your finger does get nudged a bit. I've shot three (2 on A-5s and 1 on a M98) and they all allowed me to pull my figer back to a set point and hold it there while the gun kept firing. If you don't want to call that full auto/burst then that's fine with me but I certenly wasn't pulling the trigger each shot.