Why are there legal troubles between D.W. and PTP? (reasoning inside)

[thorn]

im sorry about the whole iowa thing. HOWEVER texas is the second largest state (in population) with california being the first. florida has alot of people too, however, houston has many more people than even the largest city in florida. also, i thougt that because i could have promised that there was an addy on there to iowa..or something..no offense meant to anyone. however, as a whole paintball consumer mass, more people seem to want the hAir over the pblade. yeah but also, cars work the same way, why arent there comapnies fighting eachother "oooh they copied me!" why dont they both release it and see what sells?

[thorn]

also a good paintball company cares more about the player and his/her equipment than money. if they want the best product out on the market, lawyers dont cut it. consumers decide that.

[frontrunner]

stuff like this would never have happen if Smart Parts had started it. they strated a money grubbing trend in the sport and people wonder why i hate them with a passion. To me they are the poster company for what is wrong with the sport. Say no to SP

[Chronobreak]

as toyota said ITS ABOUT $ always has been and will be ..atleast for some/msot companies.

other than tom(who does paintball as a hobby) pretty much everyone else is in it for the $.

and other than sp not really inventing there stuff IF THEY HAD i would see no problem in protecting there intellectual rights.

i know its dumb and not good for the sport but thats how it works

somone shouldnt be able to ahve a ptent for any electronic gun....thats kinda like having teh copyright to the desighn of a car with an engine....

[CoolHand]

DW is the one who blew people away, they deserve the patent, not PTP.

Wow. Do you really believe that?

Does it matter to you that they filed for it four years before DW built their first proto?

That is a statement born of emotion. Business isn't driven by emotion.

[slade]

neither PTP nor DW deserves the patent over the other. They both developed a similar design independently at about the same time. Patents exist to prevent people from knocking off products, and it should stay that way. It should not be that the first person to apply for a patent gets to shut out all oposition, if they both develop the product themselves they should both be able to produce it. And this is ignoring the fact that there have been pneumatic triggers invented before either PTP or DW designed theirs.

[thorn]

so why didnt they release about 3 years ago? did they jusst have to wait for dw?

[msm0711]

im sorry about the whole iowa thing. HOWEVER texas is the second largest state (in population) with california being the first. florida has alot of people too.....

Yeah, well, we got more old people here , and thus, well, more people die here, and ....well....nevermind.... No biggy, just don't want to be confused with Iowa....

[CoolHand]

so why didnt they release about 3 years ago? did they jusst have to wait for dw?

No, they were waiting for the patent to issue.

Its not like you just run down to the USPTO, slap the application on ol' poindexter's desk, he reads it and then just cranks out the patent.

They just got the patent because the USPTO is that backed up.

You think this sucks, just ponder on the alternate situation - What would have happened if PTP hadn't had this application in for four years?

That's right . . . . DW would have had to either:

a) Go to market with nothing more than the "Pat. Pending" status to cover them.

OR

b) Waited it out like PTP did (causing all you guys that are holding your breath to pass out long before it would issue).

Legal issues suck. Lawyers suck. And sometimes . . . business sucks.

Sorry.

[magman007]

you all seem to treat this idea like it is something you cant have done already. the baisic principal was done by Punnisher a while back, any one remember the mag with the cocker lpr? well... you gotta ask your self, the pneumatic assisted sear in his frame was much like is being done at the moment by ptp and DW. maybe not in the exact way in any case, but hell, if you want it done, contact punnisher

[CoolHand]

you all seem to treat this idea like it is something you cant have done already. the baisic principal was done by Punnisher a while back, any one remember the mag with the cocker lpr? well... you gotta ask your self, the pneumatic assisted sear in his frame was much like is being done at the moment by ptp and DW. maybe not in the exact way in any case, but hell, if you want it done, contact punnisher

Indeed.

What these two are arguing over (from what I can gleen from various sources) is not the fact that they use air to assist the trigger, but the way in which that is implemented.

[Tunaman]

and I KNOW you all realize that Tom INVENTED the first electronic paintball gun way back in 1972. Where did that get him? The old saying goes..."he who hesitates is lost".
"Paintball is ugly on the inside. Don't get involved."-Tom Kaye

[Muzikman]

"Paintball is ugly on the inside. Don't get involved."-Tom Kaye

"Paintball is ugly on the outside. Drink a beer." - Me

[Fred]

"Paintball is ugly on the outside. Drink a beer." - Me

and then Fred Said... let it be a sig-quote!

---Fred

[WARPED1]

See, PTP is smaller than AGD, but bigger than DW!
I don't care who comes out with it first, I don't have a mag and if I did, I wouldn't get that particular mod. If I want the speed of an electro, I'll shoot an electro! One mans opinion................