AGD at a crossroad.. where do you want it to go?

[cledford]

[White_Noise]

first off...agd just doesnt have the $$$ to start dishing out for advertising.

second: why change something that is the best on the market? the rt/x valve is the lightest/fastest valve/reg system on the market, why on earth would you want agd to change that? what it seems like those who want major changes want is just another stacked tube marker like whats on the rest of the market. most of your plans that call for massive change require that agd go away from something that has led to their folowing by many people, and that is retro fit capability. i you change the marker too much, then they wont be compatible and many mag users will not like this.

i say bring out new electronics once the smoke clears on the electro market, and wait for a pneumatic trigger to come out.....like agd has been doing.

NOTE: going back to banjo bolt=bad idea....

[Muzikman]

The Banjo bolt was not as bad as people tried to make it out to be.

As for changing the valve to use an inline reg rather than the integrated reg really does not take much and it will make the valve smaller. It will still operate the exact same.

Since most of the people put a big foregrip on their guns anyway, why not fill that tube with a few parts and lighten up the valve.

[Wc Keep]

you guys are saying that the reg is the fastest out there, then why not make it into an inline reg so that people who dont like mags can put it on their timmy or dm4. that way agd is now getting more $$$$ for advertising and what not.

second the reg may be the fastest but the gun definately isnt. they need to come out with something fast to compete in the tourney scene. and dont say oh the hair this. the hair aint out so it doesnt count. which means that agd needs to come up with something fast on their own. take a ule body put the valve into the body and put the reg on the inline so you now only have the gun being as long as a ule body and make the weight more balanced, do like muzik said and make the rail slightly larger to have the air pass through that, and make an electronic trigger type for it.

[Muzikman]

I still think figuring out a way to install an E-Blade on a mag would be the way to go. No legal issues, it's a proven frame, etc. I mean all you need is a new sear trip. I am sure one of the smart guys can figure out how to do it

[Wc Keep]

i wonder if dave is looking at this thread cause theres some pretty good ideas here.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

you guys are saying that the reg is the fastest out there, then why not make it into an inline reg so that people who dont like mags can put it on their timmy or dm4. that way agd is now getting more $$$$ for advertising and what not.

I've been thinking the same thing for a long long time now. I think it would be one of the best ways to get their name out there and show how well their products works.

Putting the reg in the foregrip is a good idea. But that would lead to people putting inferior regs on and then saying it's the guns fault for not keeping up.
What should realy be done is a completely new gun. Use the X-valve to start, but make refinements in it, more user friendly, smaller, more milling options etc.

[Lohman446]

Not necessarily true. It's easy to forget that us, as in those who frequently visit the forums, do not represent the majority of paintball players or AGD customers. There are many many customers who probably don't know forums like this exist, let alone visit them frequently.

Additionally, I think a much higher percentage of us (again, "us" = AOers) are the speedball/tourney type than is the norm for paintball players overall, and so AOers feelings probably won't correctly reflect what the AGD consumer base as a whole would want.

So... umm... didn't actually contribute to answering your question at all, sorry about that. Just keep this in mind, anybody, we're not as super-influential as we might like to think.

Agreed, a lot of us who give input, and love AO are not even current AGD customers. I can give my input on what I would like to see from AGD, but chances are it is not inline with what there current customer base would like to see - and may in fact upset some of there current customer base if they were to make it.

[TheDuelist]

I just got back from the Grand Finale at Waynes World in Ocala, Florida this past weekend. There were a ton of mag shooters there and most of them I talked to had no idea about AO. Something definitely needs to be done to get the word out about AGD and the variety of new parts that are available.

When it comes to moving things like the reg your still maintaining the weight just moving it to a new location. How about milling on the reg itself instead of the standard cylinder design. Anything to change the look and the image more in line with what players are looking for. Working with PTP to develop and release a pneu fram would be great and would give the customers even more variety. Even the EBlade idea sounds good. The problem is that Tom has developed the VW Beetle of the paintball industry. Its almost too good to change and far too reliable.

[MindJob]

I still think figuring out a way to install an E-Blade on a mag would be the way to go. No legal issues, it's a proven frame, etc. I mean all you need is a new sear trip. I am sure one of the smart guys can figure out how to do it

Or, make a deal with the devil, let either Smart Parts, (or WDP, since they BOTH claim rights to the electro patent) make the electronics for the guns. Its called 'outsourcing', and if the smart people could work something it, could benafit more companies than just AGD

I know its blasphamy, but reality sucks.

[Mer]

Something definitely needs to be done to get the word out about AGD and the variety of new parts that are available.

The only way that's going to happen is advertising. If they don't have the money they need to raise it somehow.

We can spread the word all we want but ultimately they're going to have to be the ones to get the "big" word out.

I hope they'll pursue this.

Eric

[Muzikman]

Or, make a deal with the devil, let either Smart Parts, (or WDP, since they BOTH claim rights to the electro patent) make the electronics for the guns. Its called 'outsourcing', and if the smart people could work something it, could benafit more companies than just AGD

I know its blasphamy, but reality sucks.

Yeah, but the thing there is would they? Probably not cheap enough to make a mag affordable. Think about it. Smart Parts could make a frame for the Mag, there is not going to be a HUGE demand for them obviously so SP would have to charge a fortune for each one, mean while they will be selling their guns at a cheaper price.

If you were going to do anything like that, you would just pay royalty fees to Smart Parts or WDP and make your own electro frames. My idea is to be able to use an already existing frame that does not have any legal problems and make your gun work with it. I don't think it would be that hard.

[GT]

developed the VW Beetle of the paintball industry. Its almost too good to change and far too reliable.

dam good analogy, its simliar to the accord, miata and corvete. Each one of those companies piss there pants whenever they make a design change and hope there base returns to buy teh Updated and Upgraded versions.

All of these are dam good ideas!

they need to come out with something fast to compete in the tourney scene.

Emag software update anyone?

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Originally Posted by gibby

My point...get the shop owners involved and educated. Show more support for shop owners and don't leave them dry.


I couldnt agree more. Mentioned that to Tom many, many times.

Amen, gotta show the love to the dealers and undercutting there profits doesnt help.

gt

[JoshK]

There are so many good ideas...i agree the inline reg would be good...it would take off wieght, cause people add stuff there anyways... the being able to accept the eblade would be neat. but they definatly need to create more stuff, and get their name out on the walls of pro shops...ive NEVER seen a add for a mag...i saw three emags at my field once...but they are kids from here...and i accidently stumbled onto automags in the first place. A kid i went paintballing with had a minimag that i thought was awesome...but then he had a problem, and its gone through like 6 people since then...and none have fixed it. Stupid kids !...but anyways, new products, advertisment, and move reg.

[Blazestorm]

I think creating a new gun would be best.

The mag is awesome, but it's also almost 15 years old. It has quite a few flaws that are difficult to overcome.