Volume or accuracy ?

[MADS~DW~]

I think shooting fast is cool and sounds good lets face it if your oponant is daft enough to come out at you with a snap while your hosing down his cover with 20bps then bounces and accuracy dont come into the equasion.

[CaliMagFan]

your target is not always exposed for a whole second...... if you're shooting 20 bps and the guy sticks out for a quarter second, then you maybe can hit him with 5 balls... but you'd be lucky to get him with one-given the inherant inaccuracy of paintballs.... now if you're only shooting 4 bps and the guys is again out there for 1/4 second... you'll have time to only shoot 1 ball... good luck hitting him... cause luck is what you'll need..

when ever have people stopped using technology to advance their tools beyond the "necessary" needs of their use?..


-kyro

[MADS~DW~]

nice line , and totaly agree come the day when agd anounce there all singing all dancing pnumatic grip frame that puts e grips to shame and obsolesans we will all make a b line for our plastic dreaming of 20bps with no batteries on board.

[urbansix]

One of the instructional videos on webdogradio explained it to me the only way the insane BPS/ROF of today made any sense from a tactical standpoint. Basically, a beam of balls is like a wall, and the gaps between the balls are doorways. If you are shooting say 10 BPS at 300 FPS, there is a gap of 30 feet between each ball - a doorway of 30 feet going by at 200 MPH that you have to go thru to get thru the lane. If the ROF is increased to 15 BPS the "doorway" shrinks to 20ft.

So IMHO the high ROF helps for the concept of suppressive fire - a tactical tool for controling the opponent's ability to move. That's why you hear so much emphasis on "controlling lanes" - those are the lanes an opponent must pass thru to move up.

(Caveats:
1. the 200mph reference is not accounting for deceleration, yes, i know
2. I don't really play speedball, so this may be a bunch of hooey, but it made some sense to me, unlike alot of other things about speedball.)

[Enemy]

^^ that made no sense what so ever.. put kyro made some good points.. the biggest thing i see with bps is both in that when someone is snapping on you you want the gap between balls to be as short as possible.. but also look at when you snap.. its hard to get a good aim on something when snapping so you want to get as much paint out there as possible but at the same time you dont want to be exposed for more than 1/4 second so now instead of only geting 1 shot of at the guy whos posted on you you get 4-5..odds are only one of those 4-5 will hit because paint doesnt group as tight as we would like but like you said it only takes 1.

[justjoshin590]

no he made perfect sense, the less balls in the air the more distance between them, its easier to run through 5bps then 25bps in simpler terms

[NewMagMan21]

Well personally I love playing with my classic mag. I CAN shoot up to 10-11 bps because of it ups. I said CAN because if I want to I can but usually I shoot about 5 bps. Thats how I play but some people like playing pump others like playing 20 bps. Personally I like both but as you can see its all just what works for ones lifestyle. Some are sponsered, have a job, or have rich parents. Personally I have about a $60 a month budget being 15 and so its hard for me to be the one who throws millions of paintballs keeping others down. Anyway it just comes down to money, lifestyle and sponsers pretty much.
And "DaySpring" your dumb "you say that you'd come out on 5 bps rather than 14 because theres more of a window." If anything that "urbansix" says is near true that 5 bps would have about 60 ft between them and at 300 fps then you'd have about .2 seconds to come in, shoot and come out.
What CaliMagFan saidperfectly true about hiting a guy with one ball is true in that you see the guy before he sees/ heres you because personally when I see someone firing at me I have a tendency to duck in so Im not hit. If the one you're shooting at just pops out for a snap shot and you have a line of paint traveling up and down his bunker then he's just screwed.
In my opinion the only reason to shoot 20 bps is lane shooting, or any off the break shooting. I hope that helped (I probably will just tick people off)

[B.A.M.]

Accuracy is good. Volume is good. Both is even better.

Agree totaly like when you shoot a lane its good to have many a ball in the air but accuracy when you snap shoot.

[mag88888]

i personally dont like it when people lane shoot. its just cheap to me. they dont care about how much money they piss down the drain CAUSE THEY ARE SPONSORED. but i believe in strategy. i used to use a spyder extra, it was terrible for shooting fast but i would just as good as other people with fancier guns. but it is FUN to shoot alot. haaha.

[Dayspring]

And I'm dumb how?

And "DaySpring" your dumb "you say that you'd come out on 5 bps rather than 14 because theres more of a window." If anything that "urbansix" says is near true that 5 bps would have about 60 ft between them and at 300 fps then you'd have about .2 seconds to come in, shoot and come out.

[vonort]

A very wise man once stated this on this subject.


"Accuracy by volume can be done by any monkey".. Glenn Palmer.

[NewMagMan21]

And I'm dumb how?

(saying that the paintball is in the correct spots, meaning this person knows where to shoot) There is no way that you are going to pop in and in that amout of time. .2 seconds is about enough time to come out. You could pop out but it would be a stupid way to get out in the middle of a game. And thats saying you come out with the back of your head being slightly touched by the paintball and you'd still only have .18 seconds left.

[Dayspring]

If you change where your head peeks out, instead of coming out at the same place every time, there's a whole lot better of a chance on 5bps. On 14, there's more of a chance that there may be a ball waiting there.

And you'd be surprised how quickly someone can move their head.

[FSU_Paintball]

There's a difference between accuracy BY volume and accuracy AND volume. Putting your shots where they need to be and pulling the trigger very quickly aren't mutually exclusive.

[Pump Scout]

Yep, it's nice to have the option of having both, but there was a great gunfighter in the Old West who said, "Fast is nice, but accurate is everything".

Want proof? Take an Armson barrel (great when dry, but...), deliberately break a couple balls in it, then go pound away at 15bps. I can assure you nobody will worry about your 15bps when they're nowhere near the intended target.

That reminds me, I have to replace the Armson on my pump as soon as possible. Slag one ball in the damn thing, and it's goodbye accuracy!