an arguement for the open bolt

[trains are bad]

No they don't.

[FallNAngel]

Yes they do...

No, they don't.

A ball falls in the chamber and is held in place by the detent. When the breech closes, the bolt pushes the ball past the detent. At this point, the only thing holding the ball in place is friction between it and the barrel.

[teufelhunden]

Which, in an open bolt marker doesn't matter as it's only past the detent when it's being fired.

[m20power]

If you have balls roll out of a closed bolt markers barrel, get some fingernail polish and make a little dab inside the barrel. It will act as a detent. You can also make a ring around the inside of the barrel if you like.

It dosent affect flight. It can wear off though so you have to reapply it from time to time.

As for if open or closed is better.....
open is faster, simpler normally in a mechanical sense
closed is more efficient
Each has its ups and downs. Find a marker you like and shoot it and down get down on other people for their choices. If someone picks an inferior gun so what, it just makes it that much easier for you to gog them. I have a Viking and a Cocker and each one holds a special place in my heart.

[Creative Mayhem]

ick. Open bolt vs. closed bolt. It's like a zombie that just won't die.

MMMMMRRRRRR BRAINNNSSSSSS

[FallNAngel]

open is faster, simpler normally in a mechanical sense

Not by much. The bolt will have to be back the same amount of time to allow a ball to fall, and the hammer can start moving forward quite soon after the bolt moves forward. Yes, open bolt will be faster, but not by much. In either case, the gun will be faster than you.

closed is more efficient

No, it isn't. It all depends on how the gun is set up.

[PBX Ronin 23]

open is faster, simpler normally in a mechanical sense
closed is more efficient

WRONG on the first count and PBX has data to prove that. Wrong on the second count...pls see Old School Shocker.

BTW, what year are we in..........1997?

[Rift]

^ what he said times 5

[Automaggot68]

If you have balls roll out of a closed bolt markers barrel, get some fingernail polish and make a little dab inside the barrel. It will act as a detent. You can also make a ring around the inside of the barrel if you like.

It dosent affect flight. It can wear off though so you have to reapply it from time to time.

As for if open or closed is better.....
open is faster, simpler normally in a mechanical sense
closed is more efficient
Each has its ups and downs. Find a marker you like and shoot it and down get down on other people for their choices. If someone picks an inferior gun so what, it just makes it that much easier for you to gog them. I have a Viking and a Cocker and each one holds a special place in my heart.

Who the hell are you again?

[SSMercury]

Are you people posting to bump your post counts?

I thought it was clearly proven by Warpig that open bolt or closed bolt neither affected accuracy, efficiency, the balls rolling, the tides, or sunspot activity.

[m20power]

Who the hell are you again?

Im Rick James.

[Buff]

trying to compare the two is way to hard. Tere are so many other things that affect accuracy etc such as the valve..........

LET IT DYE I SAY!!

[billmi]

WRONG on the first count and PBX has data to prove that.

Where can we see that?

Wrong on the second count...pls see Old School Shocker.

Just because the old school Shocker is not gas efficient, that does not mean the reason for the efficiency or inneficiency lies in the position of the bolt before firing. If being closed bolt results in greater efficiency (which I don't believe to be true) it would be possible for that to be saving the old school shocker from even worse overall gas efficiency.

[PBX Ronin 23]

Just because the old school Shocker is not gas efficient, that does not mean the reason for the efficiency or inneficiency lies in the position of the bolt before firing. If being closed bolt results in greater efficiency (which I don't believe to be true) it would be possible for that to be saving the old school shocker from even worse overall gas efficiency.

Hey Bill. Long time no see. How's Dawn!

My post is more of a repudiation of the initial post that claims "CB's" are inherently more efficient. As for the data, we may just post it in Deep Blue sometime in the near future but the premise of our position is based on our findings with the mQ-Valve technology.

Setting the timing parameters between the two different stages of the firing cycle in a CB plus the reduced weight of the mass being actuated (bolt not being attached to a hammer) has given the CB greater speeds in our R&D testing.

Maybe I'll write a dissertation and you can put it up on Warpig.......

[FallNAngel]

Wust because the old school Shocker is not gas efficient, that does not mean the reason for the efficiency or inneficiency lies in the position of the bolt before firing. If being closed bolt results in greater efficiency (which I don't believe to be true) it would be possible for that to be saving the old school shocker from even worse overall gas efficiency.

I think that's what he's trying to say.