ASTM facts?

[Enemy]

show them that mask!!! if that doesnt it do it shoot them with a real gun we dont need stupid people in this world!

[ojhspyro89]

Show up with something that they will sure as hell not play against. Bring a pvc cannon or something of that affect.

That wouldnt be too effective



the best way would probably to get major pissed at them and swear alot. When people do stupid stuff like that, i just scream in thier face alot and swear and it seams to help they dont do it again when im around.

But thats just how my town kids work.

[White_Noise]

i had my lens get cracked in a tourney when the markers were chronoed down to 280. and the guy that shot me got chronoed off and was shooting maybe 275 on average. id stop playing, with them, and try to find another group to play with. if not, then id try to explain to them why they shouldnt, maybe citing this thread as a reason.

[Muzikman]

if you do find it, you will find out that lenses can take a hit at 400fps from a metal ball, much less a paintball, your not gonna break a lens with a paintball, even frozen ones i would highly doubt could break a lens, mabey another part of the mask, but, lenses are alot tougher than people make them out to be, shooting hot can do damage to your body (espicially close range shots to the hand (can break small bones, even at legal speeds) or neck)

You would be shocked at just how little lens can really take. Your thinking is very dangerous.

[Rift]

Yeah i dont see how a lense can take a hit from a metal ball at 400fps and not break yet alone get pentrated entirely? This dosent make much sence. I can see it possible stoping a paintball but im almost positive it would still crack.

[ScatterPlot]

What a bunch of morons. Tell them that it is not only less safe, but less accurate. It helps in no way other than meduim range ease of "dodging"

[Beemer]

Wow interesting

Got a pic with all the paint cleaned off????????

ASTM test is 12 ft. 325 to 400 fps, 1 to 2 sec. wait, 8 shots, 3 left side, 3 right side, and then 2 anywhere you think it might fail.

if you do find it, you will find out that lenses can take a hit at 400fps from a metal ball, much less a paintball, your not gonna break a lens with a paintball, even frozen ones i would highly doubt could break a lens, mabey another part of the mask, but, lenses are alot tougher than people make them out to be,

Care to share where you got this info from???????

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=160827&page=1&pp=40

Many of you aren't aware that at the CFOA finale at Rock Hill, that there was a player who was bunkered by a ramping gun at point blank range in the head. The player who did the shooting was not malicious in his actions, but the quick pulls of the trigger did produce 6 shots to the mask of the player who got bunkered. Those 6 shots at that range broke the unaltered Profiler of the player who was bunkered. We were lucky and no injury occurred. Only the player who got his bell rung and had to buy some new goggles was the worse for wear.

[manike]

What part of the profiler broke?

I can see you maybe shooting a hole through the rubber mouthpiece but that's about it. I'd like to hear more about that story as I don't believe it. The lens will take a huge amount of abuse.

I have some Vforce lenses on my desk that were shot with a ball bearing at 750fps, 3 times, and none went through.

I also have tested goggles and don't see there being any concerns as long as you keep them in good condition and replace the lens as instructed.

EDIT: to correct PSI to FPS.

[manike]

Here's a post I made before on another forum.

As ever there are major concerns about safety equipment in this sport. A lot of people have been predicting doom and gloom and making wild accusations about the standard of safety equipment.

As one of the few people I know that has honestly, and realistically done some of these tests I thought it was about time to show some videos.

Firstly, someone said ramping boards are bad because 'have you ever seen what 20 shots will do to a goggle'. I say yes I have... and now you can too...

You will need quicktime to view these video's...

http://www.simonsstuff.com/20ormore.MP4

Secondly I would like to point out that if anyone shoots enough balls at someones goggle to damage them then that person had to reload, and really ought to be jailed for assault.

Here's a whole halo, with NXL type code, and hard paint lighting up a goggle from approx 2.5m (I found if I was closer I got covered with paint...

http://www.simonsstuff.com/full-halo.MP4

Do you know how hard it is even from less than 3 metres to empty a whole hopper non stop into the same location. My poor fingers got tired!

And no player would stay still for that long and let you...

I've done a lot more tests too, and am not concerned about lens safety as long as you keep good care of your equipment and buy a quality goggle.

I purposely used low end goggles in these tests because they tend to have a worse fit and more concerns.

Any questions?

[manike]

Oh and one issue I should point out, that is testing goggles 'loose' i.e. not on a mannequin head, gives an unfair test.

[Beemer]

ok

Thanks for the vids. What did the head piece look like when you removed the EPD. What did the lens look like when you cleaned the paint off. I know that was an extreme test, just curious. What about 15 shots to eather side of the EPD and at different angles not just straight on?

I also have tested goggles and don't see there being any concerns as long as you keep them in good condition and replace the lens as instructed.

The question is how often is this done? I bet not many really follow or read the distructions for gogs. See my post above. Seems 6 shots compromised the EPD in that event.

I think proper lens care is more the issue but what about 15bps not a hopper to the top side and back of head and neck. The unprotected areas is where the concern should be.


Peace Out
Beemer

[manike]

What did the lens look like when you cleaned the paint off.

It has some little scratch marks on it from the shell. If you've ever been gogged from close range you will know what I mean. It has quite a few because of the number of shots it took.

What about 15 shots to eather side of the EPD and at different angles not just straight on?

The lens will still take it fine. Glancing blows do less to the lens than direct impacts.

The question is how often is this done? I bet not many really follow or read the distructions for gogs. See my post above. Seems 6 shots compromised the EPD in that event.

Lenses are tested constantly from the production line.

I agree some people don't take proper care of their lenses or equipment. That's NOT the manufacturer's fault. All goggles tell you to change the lens every year, and after being shot from close range. If you don't follow the instructions it's an issue, but it's your fault. Welcome to Darwinism.

[manike]

You know what... those are Goggles and Lenses I am not familiar with. I'm not going to discuss results of products I am not familiar with.

What I will say is that brands I am familiar with, I'm happy to wear. :)

Other's... I'd be concerned about.

You CAN'T BE TOO CAREFUL with your vision.

[Beemer]

ok

You know what... those are Goggles and Lenses I am not familiar with. I'm not going to discuss results of products I am not familiar with.

What I will say is that brands I am familiar with, I'm happy to wear. :)

Other's... I'd be concerned about.

You CAN'T BE TOO CAREFUL with your vision.

No comment on the unprotected areas, eh.

What brands are you familiar with?

Why would you be concerned about OTHERS???? Dont they all meet ASTM standards?????

On the side shots I meant straight on from the side.

Still curious on how much paint got thru to head unit on that test.

[manike]

No comment on the unprotected areas, eh.

What brands are you familiar with?

Why would you be concerned about OTHERS???? Dont they all meet ASTM standards?????

On the side shots I meant straight on from the side.

Still curious on how much paint got thru to head unit on that test.

I never play without protecting my head and my neck.

I change my lenses at least every year. And more often if I get shot in the lens from close range. You can tell with most lenses when they have taken a decent impact and so you should change them.

One thing I really don't want to lose, is my sight.

I don't know about other goggles and whether or not they meet the ASTM standards.

Maybe someone independent should test them all...

Maybe there's a future tech article for Bill Mills...