What it would take to make a mag my primary gun again

[TheTramp]

Isn't how many shots per tank the real issue? If you could get 2000 shots on a 68/3000 tank would you care that you couldn't shot the tank lower than 600 (or 800, or what ever)?

I can answer this: Absolutly yes!

If I could get 2000 shots out of a 68/4500 let alone a 68/3000 then I wouldn't care at all how far into the tank it shot. That only matters due to the decreased number of shots it implies.

[Lohman446]

lets be real honest here. If there was any gun, from a spyder to a bling'd out timmy, that was truely better than any gun everyone would be using them, regardless of marker sponsership.

They all shoot @ 300fps, some slower, some faster, and some do it all consistantly. Everything else is just crap we tell ourselves to justify our purchase. I know its hard to swallow considering the kid with the rental m98 has just as good a gun as your $$2k timmy/matrix/borg/viking.

I can disect this statement to mean however that the more prevelant a marker in any particular use the better that marker is for that use. Sure there is competition at the highest end for speedball use - my point is that the mag is not winning that competetition, for that matter I don't think it is, anymore, even among the top competitors.

We can continue to stick our heads in the sand and whine about the hype, I guess thats one way to deal with it - I really dont care, not my company - I was merely trying to offer something constructive.

[Mr. Mouse]

devil mag or e-mag/xmag with the predator 2 board will fit your needs, im sure if AGD updated there designs they could be one of the top companys agian

[GT]

Sure there is competition at the highest end for speedball use my point is that the mag is not winning that competetition, not my company

Who cares?

Is kingman in trouble? How about tippmann? You dont have to make equipment for the top 10% of paintballers for the equipment to be good, to use your argument. Besides the top 10% of ballers, for the most part, are sponsered so they themselves do not even get a choice . Again you are still looking at others to drive your purchase. Infact you are allowing your personal feelings for the product to interfer with that of good sound buisness.

[hitech]

In regards to efficiency, I wasn't referring to anything in particular. I was only trying to point out that it is the number of shots per tank that matter. How low you can shoot the tank is meaningless. However, it seems that is the most recent desired feature. It's another one of those "have-to-haves" that doesn't matter. And I think a lot of people have lost site of why they even wanted it in the first place. More efficient can be a benefit.

'Mags use to be average in the efficiency department. Has that changed?

Additionally, what a more efficient marker? I can tell you how to get an approx 20% increase in efficiency. However, I doubt that anyone here will do it.



































How? Use a small bore barrel that is the correct length for the marker and has NO PORTING.

[hitech]

Battery integrated to trigger frame - standard 9V like many other high end guns are capable of using.

Since I'm on a roll...... :rofl:

Why do you care where they battery is? And why do you care if it is a 9 volt battery?

WDP seems to have done fine without that. 9 volt batteries are a poor choice in batteries. Other than paintball equipment, what do you find with 9 volt batteries?

BTW, I HATE batteries that are in the grip. So much so that I move the battery of my old hyoerframe out of the grip.

[Lohman446]

Since I'm on a roll...... :rofl:

Why do you care where they battery is? And why do you care if it is a 9 volt battery?

WDP seems to have done fine without that. 9 volt batteries are a poor choice in batteries. Other than paintball equipment, what do you find with 9 volt batteries?

BTW, I HATE batteries that are in the grip. So much so that I move the battery of my old hyoerframe out of the grip.

Im obsessive, I can carry half a dozen extras cheap - and I do.

[dj89]

Once I almost bought an Impulse, then a shocker, and then, and I was VERY tempted, a 2005 Angel Speed...but I ended up with 4 'Mags instead!

Once I bought an Impulse, and then, and I was VERY tempted, a Cocker...but I ended up with 4 'Mags instead......And love them....-Me

[Lohman446]

Wrong place for this discussion...

I'm wrong on some points - I have no doubt about that.

I'm not wrong on all of them.

Now that we have basically told me that all markers are equal - explain to me why my next marker, which will be for scenario play, is a $400 mag and not a $200 Tippman

[dj89]

Becouse The Tac One it just so SEXY

[Enemy]

ok my only complaint that you came up with is the effiecency or rather how deep it goes into the tank.. thats why my next marker is a viking will this change anything i doubt it...im very happy with my lvl 10 so much so i choose to eliminate the ace on my xmag! the mags effieciency is average its just that because it stops shooting at 1000 psi it loses an extra 300-400 shots that other markers get thats all!! i love my big battery pack maybe because i found a use for it.. for my battery pack runs my hopper do that with your 9V and i still can pull off atleast 10000 rnds before my battery is dead!! there are ways to put somethings to use you just cant do that so you moved on ohwell! congratulations

[GT]

Now that we have basically told me that all markers are equal - explain to me why my next marker, which will be for scenario play, is a $400 mag and not a $200 Tippman

tell me why you would spend an extra 200 for one marker over another.

The internet is a horrible place to convey ones message in a post effectively that is to be as complicated of an issue as this one.

Very true,
And I think all to often I come off as pissed off in my posts and that is the exact oppisite.

[warbeak2099]

You're all wrong! The isis is the uber marker. If it ever comes out lol...
Seriously though I've been thinking about getting one and ditching my mag. Now that my team is sponsored that may even be possible. Think about it though, it's a great gun. It's got the profile of a mag and shocker, it's more efficient than both, it's faster than both. it's got a better anti-chop system than both (break beams), t's about as light, it's supposedly very consistant, it's cheap ($699 for solid color), and it's made by a decent company.
However this could all be wrong once it comes out and is tested more widely. But when speaking to the people who have used them it sound pretty good.

Also, the only downsides to my mag that I've noticed are poor efficiency and the hassle of tuning it lvl x and ult). The gun is honestly very consistant at the chrony and on the field for that matter. Sure I get a first hot shot, but after that it's all pretty tight. And after you tune the lvl x and ult that's it. So that's really just an initial problem. Course I will have to tune the lvl x some time again in the future but that's not very hard once you get it. The weight? What is this balance problem I'm hearing of? With the ule bodies and milled rails today mags are lighter than anything I've ever held. My RT Custom is lighter than the Freeflow Shocker at the shop. And the balance of the gun is very comfortable. The only gripe i got is the efficiency. I go through my 68/3k tank insanely fast. That's why I'm buying a 4500. That should give me about 1k shots on a mag. That's certainly not low for what I shoot.
Now the only other area I will still have a problem in is speed. I can only shoot about 10-12bps with the ult tuned well. Fanning it I can get it up around 13-14bps. But I'm not going to fan the trigger in a game unless I'm looking to give the field a new coat of paint and not hit anyone. I'm not mechanically inclined so making my own custom e-frame is out of the question along with the Spydermag mod. I'm not made of money so I can't lay down $450-550 for the freaking Devilmag. Also, the HAir frame is never coming out and it looks like PTP is going to drag their feet since the market for that product would be relatively small. I wouldn't be able to spend $300 on that anyways. Is their a low-cost, bolt-on e/pneu frame out there? No, there isn't. And if one doesn't come out before summer (when my team starts playing tournies) I'm going to have to switch guns. So there's a problem right there. Very few people are going to lay down money on a gun that can only legally shoot up to around 15bps (perfect for xball or psp but those are the only two with the 15bps cap). So what is a person to do? Well we don't have much of a choice. If the Isis is out by summer and a low cost, drop-in e/pneu frame for the mag is not, I'm sadly going to have to buy the Isis. This post proves I'm not the only one who's switching.

So not only are people not initially buying mags anymore, but now mag owners themselves are switching. Not good. And alas, AGD drags their feet lately so they probably won't correct the situation until it's too late. I really wish they'd listen to the current requests of present and potential customers and forget about laying low. Laying low doesn't make a company money nor does it satisfy customers. If they are going to stay away from electros then they better damn well put some effort into this pneu-frame idea if they aren't already supporting PTP.

Rant over,
Pete

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

I dont understand why all these people are saying e-mags are high maintence, mabey im just lucky but... I own EM000155, I never have problems with it, I set up LX on the valve and havent had to touch it even once. it never leaks and stops on even britle paint. I havent choped since I put it in, and ive probally shotup around 20 cases. I love the way the batt pack feels since ive goten used to it and I actually prefer it. only problem I have had was the charger burnt up somehow... and I think that can be expected with a electric gun thats that old. I dont notice a huge slow down with level 10 except mabey the fact that im feeding it with a revvy and it skips shots all day long... so I dont care about eyes and I sure dont think the e-mag feels bulky, well since I shaved down my trigger frame and milled off the hump... but the only thing that I feel is a drawback is the 800psi thing. but even then all the feilds I play at have all day air and 4500 fills so it doesnt bother me.

I love my e-mag and will never trade it... unless someone offers me an insane ammount of cash. Im not saying its the best gun but it sure as hell isnt out dated. I can shoot as fast on it as all those people with timmys and angels and all that mess. I am thinking about getting a new gun (ego) but Ill always keep my e-mag cause the thing never lets me down.

short story...
I went to the paintball field after not playing for 6months or more.... my e-mag hadnt been aired up, dry fired or even oiled since the last time I played, I hadnt adjusted the velocity or anything. I wasnt even playing this day but I decided to bring my gun to show it off. turned out a kids DM4 went down after he just got it for christmas... so I said hey wanna use my gun? and he was like what is that thing? I told him an e-mag and just play with it its fast. so he said dang thanks... he aired it up and put on paint and chronoed and it shot the same as it did 6months ago. it performed well all day, no chops no barrel breaks just straight up perfect all day. the kid who had never shot a e-mag before was suprised and was able to shoot it just as fast as his dm4 he thanked me and took his hopper and paint and left. I went home and its still sitting there now, i know the next time I play its gonna work just as good as the day I got it.... the end

[GA Devil]

for efficiency how much paint do most of you actually carry on the field that a mag cant handle with a 68/4500 tank? Ive never once been playing a game that i ran out of air because i carried too much paint. Fill your tank between games like most people. In a 5 man game most i usually use is 1500 lbs and im usually 1 of the last in if not in to the end.

For speed Ive given that option

For battery ive given that also

For versitility ive gave that

For anti chop...yup that too.

i love people making fun of my "mags" till they see em shoot then they want 1. Watched it happen at cup. guy wanted to use 1 from a local team so loaned him my wifes. his whole team gave him more crap then ive ever seen from a team for him carrying it. His captain told him he could NOT walk on the field with it. He did anyway. After 1 match he was told to use it as much as he wanted and a few others on the team took it out during the game. D2 Xball and it kept up with everything out there and the refs even came to me asking if it was cheating cause they didnt think a mag could shoot like that. He ran with a 45/4500 and never had any issues with running out of air. He played 2 full games with it. No they arent the most efficient markers out there..but theres still worse.