AGD- make us an aluminum classic valve

[Kevmaster]

anyone try a female stab on an X valve? X valves are far less reactive than there SS counter parts. i just figured that they would be less prone to co2 issues than past rt style valves.

the problem is not with liquid getting into the marker (although that too would cause aproblem)...its that the co2 is very prone to changing pressures when it heats up (much more so than HPA). it will shoot hot and inconsistant when it goes through the valve and gets heated up

[peewee]

Thats why back in the day before HPA we had some really funky remote setups. Mine had a total of three expansion chambers , one right off my tank one at the bottem of the grip & my forgrip. Getting a 20 point hot gun penalty was a tourny killer.

[than205]

not happening..LOL

agd phased the pos classics out for a reason.

Do you really think they're a pos?
If you do, I totally disagree with that statement. If I'm missing the irony, my bad.

I think the classic was phased out more for economic reasons than anything else.

Out of nostalgia sake, last night I rewatched the Odyssey footage of the Halo on top of the Hyperframed classic doing 16 bps. Seemed pretty consistent to me.

So I'm left to conclude the only thing the classic needed was a e-frame that was easy to get up to speed. Because from what I read on all these forums is that 16 bps is very competative with everything.

[Muzikman]

If they made a new classic valve at an affordable price, AGD WOULD DOMINATE spyder market! Imagine it a 175-250 dolllar automag that you can use co2 and is available in most stores backed by the most reliable design ever!


DO IT!
Ken

EDIT: I stand corrected...

[Chronobreak]

classic wasnt a "POS" however comapred to the RT it is inferiror. as agd has phased other things out it is only natural those would go as well and they stick to the x-valves.

there was a dicusion of a on/off or reg/valve being compat with co2 or more compat.
a stab is a good sttart...


this would be a great mod for tac-ones

[Lohman446]

If they made a new classic valve at an affordable price, AGD WOULD DOMINATE spyder market! Imagine it a 175-250 dolllar automag that you can use co2 and is available in most stores backed by the most reliable design ever!


DO IT!
Ken

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think it would be any cheaper to make an aluminum classic valve than it is to make an X-valve?

[than205]

classic wasnt a "POS" however comapred to the RT it is inferiror. as agd has phased other things out it is only natural those would go as well and they stick to the x-valves.

there was a dicusion of a on/off or reg/valve being compat with co2 or more compat.
a stab is a good sttart...


this would be a great mod for tac-ones

Just for discussions sake, how is it inferior?
If we consider the 16 bps, the fact that if maintained properly it will be as consistant as anything else, it doesn't have a velocity ramp if you fire it quickly and no tourney hosts are confused about some vague wording in old tourney rules or their own insurance terms?

I have an idea what others will say, but I'm curious what you think?

[Chronobreak]

Just for discussions sake, how is it inferior?
If we consider the 16 bps, the fact that if maintained properly it will be as consistant as anything else, it doesn't have a velocity ramp if you fire it quickly and no tourney hosts are confused about some vague wording in old tourney rules or their own insurance terms?

I have an idea what others will say, but I'm curious what you think?

inferior obviously

as for the classic it is a good desighn.....but tis time has passed

come one now 16 bps is what is theoreticly capable of.. i dont know anyone that can hit over 11 on a classic.

as for 11 on an rt is fairly easy.

rt has a faster recharge and better valve architecture

going electrical... 16 bps is stil somewhat alot but YOU and I know for a fact players would be comlaining they cant keep or they get shootdown blah blah blah.

as somoen else said tis about the same amt to make the x-valve as the classic so whynot just amke ONE good valve...les trouble for agd, and ebtter for us.

another reason is that with the new ule prices they would be selling classics at a price they wouldnt be making $ really.

there are more reasons but i dont want to waste my time do a search or seomthing.

[gc82000]

good points. But I think they just want a mod that will allow them to use CO2 instead of HPA. A mod should be good enough right, whether it be a drop-in or other wise.

[than205]

inferior obviously

as for the classic it is a good desighn.....but tis time has passed

come one now 16 bps is what is theoreticly capable of.. i dont know anyone that can hit over 11 on a classic.

as for 11 on an rt is fairly easy.

rt has a faster recharge and better valve architecture

going electrical... 16 bps is stil somewhat alot but YOU and I know for a fact players would be comlaining they cant keep or they get shootdown blah blah blah.

as somoen else said tis about the same amt to make the x-valve as the classic so whynot just amke ONE good valve...les trouble for agd, and ebtter for us.

another reason is that with the new ule prices they would be selling classics at a price they wouldnt be making $ really.

there are more reasons but i dont want to waste my time do a search or seomthing.

I'm just tired of people on other forums saying don't buy an RT, you won't be able to use it in a tourney. When we have people all over this forum doing just that, playing in tourneys.
It's just plain ignorance, both on the part of the posters and tourney hosts.
So, I say what we also need is a very fast e-frame and I wonder if the RT is overkill.
Mind you, I own both (RT and Classic).

I've owned about half the things that AGD has put out.

[White_Noise]

i just wish i had that quote from tom about building something perfect, and then everyone wanting different colors.

[Gabriel]

If they made a new classic valve at an affordable price, AGD WOULD DOMINATE spyder market! Imagine it a 175-250 dolllar automag that you can use co2 and is available in most stores backed by the most reliable design ever!


DO IT!
Ken

I, the noble lord of the Knights of the Old Spyder, TOTALLY FREAKIN AGREE! Especially since AGD has moved more towards rec/scenario oriented ball. I think if they re-introduced an aluminum valved Classic for $150-$200 they would crush the new WGP at least. And please, for the love of god change the frame.

And then make an cheap (read: cast aluminum) e-grip (yeah I know we all hate SP, but sometimes you just gotta grin and bare it... just freakin SETTLE WITH THEM ALREADY!) AGD would dominate.

[vf-xx]

good points. But I think they just want a mod that will allow them to use CO2 instead of HPA. A mod should be good enough right, whether it be a drop-in or other wise.

To the best of my knowledge I believe you can drop in a classic on/off into an xvalve and you're set. You may have to add an extra o-ring, I forget.

[spasticsquirrel]

there is a bigger market of new people guns than senario guns...


oh yah, no comment about the new valves you want.

[barrel break]

If they made a new classic valve at an affordable price, AGD WOULD DOMINATE spyder market! Imagine it a 175-250 dolllar automag that you can use co2 and is available in most stores backed by the most reliable design ever!


DO IT!
Ken

No, I am afraid it would not. kid who sees a 7-9 BPS mech classic with a long akward trigger pull next to a smiliarly (even cheaper) 13BPS mouse click spyder wil choose the spyder most of the time.