Electronic marker idea for AGD

[phantomhitman]

lets jump ahead a few steps. an e frame is what 400 bucks? lets be honest, how many people are willing to drop 8-900 bucks for an electronic mag?

i spent that much....but that is a nutty agd lover

anyways, if you guys use eblades if would have to be e2s. e1 are horrendous battery eaters. i know the you can go get rechargable batteries but that is even more money. I would be interested in this also, but you gotta get a video of this in action. This frame would cost alot considering the stock e2s are around $450 plus a ult kit. interesting, but not many people would go for this. they would rather buy an emag, to each their own?!

[GT]

Maybe we should try our hat with racegun. I am willing to bet they maybe less reluctant to the idea.

[Athius]

What AGD should do is put an LPR where the HPR is in the valve and put the hpr as the foregrip. This will lower the pressure of the marker and more efficient because man the thing that pissed me off about my classic mag is that from 800-1000PSI i couldnt shoot.

Hell maybe a new generation of the automag valve, with a lowered pressure and much more efficient.


But and eblade on a mag?? I would love to have one.

[Enemy]

[PBX Ronin 23]

What it comes down to is whether the people who may or may not do an e-frame has an existing license.

The small guys that thinks no one would care at the volumes that they're doing will maybe wake up one day and see a five figure legal bill......that would be fun wouldn't it.

[hitech]

BTW, does anyone know why CenterFlag stopped making the HyperFrames?

IIRC, Tom insinuated that is was because of the SP patent. However, I don't think he actually said that was the reason. So, it may have only been part of the reason. Call Dennis Ashley at Centerflag. He is an old school paintball guy and loves to talk about paintball. He can be hard to get a hold of, but I'd bet he would answer the question.

[nippinout]

Raceframe would be a better platform.

It uses standard 45 grips, and isn't so power hungry on the solenoid.

[11_Mile_TMaster]

What AGD should do is put an LPR where the HPR is in the valve and put the hpr as the foregrip. This will lower the pressure of the marker and more efficient because man the thing that pissed me off about my classic mag is that from 800-1000PSI i couldnt shoot.

Hell maybe a new generation of the automag valve, with a lowered pressure and much more efficient.


But and eblade on a mag?? I would love to have one.

... What good would an LPR do? A Mag doesn't need one.

Mags, at least from my understanding of them, actually could run more efficient on higher pressures, anyway. Later tonight I get to do some pressure calculations on operating pressure for a dump chamber design and will get back to you with some theoretical numbers that may help shed some light on all of this.

[PBX Ronin 23]

Later tonight I get to do some pressure calculations on operating pressure for a dump chamber design and will get back to you with some theoretical numbers that may help shed some light on all of this.

We'll be anxiously waiting.

[nippinout]

... What good would an LPR do? A Mag doesn't need one.

Mags, at least from my understanding of them, actually could run more efficient on higher pressures, anyway. Later tonight I get to do some pressure calculations on operating pressure for a dump chamber design and will get back to you with some theoretical numbers that may help shed some light on all of this.

The problem with the mag and its efficiency is it's open time. The ball is out the barrel in 3ms. Any air dumping beyond that is just venting to atmosphere.

[PBX Ronin 23]

Yup, anything beyond 3-4.5mS is WASTED.

[nippinout]

We'll be anxiously waiting.

If you haven't seen this before:

A 3gram paintball going 300fps has 111.005 in-lb of energy.

Assume:
3gram paintball
300fps velocity

Units:
3gram = .003kg
300ft = 91.44m
1 joule = 8.8507457 inch pound

Paintball kinetic energy:
= .5 * (.003kg) * (91.44m/s)^2
= 12.542J
= 111.005in-lb

Multiply your dump chamber volume by its pressure and you get its potential energy. But you have to remember that you aren't going to get 100% of that to the ball. You have loss from driving the bolt forward, the spring pushing back, heat, etc... And remember our friend Boyle.

[ScatterPlot]

OK You use one more exclamation mark and I'm gonna have to

[hitech]

The problem with the mag and its efficiency is it's open time. The ball is out the barrel in 3ms. Any air dumping beyond that is just venting to atmosphere.

[SlartyBartFast]

Well, personally I fail to see the difference of having an LPR instead of a battery pack.

Then of course there's the whole legal/patent crapfest.

But does anyone have a link to somewhere that shows the E-blade and raceframe internals?

I have previously found a small cylynder/actuator that could easily be placed inside a Mag grip and pull on the base of sear assembly or simply be used instead of the solenoid. Should be able to get it to work even without ULT. Could be made to operate in E-mode or mech much like the E-Mag too. Heck, if someone wanted to tinker, you could probably get the existing Emag setup to operate a solenoid valve and the small air cylinder instead of the big electric solenoid.

Surely if there was really enough interest, some licencing agreement that involved a reasonable payment per frame sold could be arranged between a small producer and race frame or E-blade manufacturers. Of course the design would have to be as close to their design as possible so that their patents would fully cover the new frame and not infringe on other patents.