Electronic marker idea for AGD

[SlartyBartFast]

The problem with the mag and its efficiency is it's open time. The ball is out the barrel in 3ms. Any air dumping beyond that is just venting to atmosphere.

Now we're veering off-topic but,

How much longer than necessary is the Mag valve open? Anyone do the calculations for the open time? With different bolt return springs?

But isn't the Mag efficiency problem not one of how much energy is used each shot but instead really a problem of how 'deep' a Mag can use a tank (the minimum pressure required to shoot)?

[ScatterPlot]

Heh, I'm JK.

But seriously; there is one thing you guys haven't thought of yet. Now I don't know the ins and outs of an Eblade, but if I'm correct in assuming all the stuff I don't know for sure then it has a full electronic three-way valve in there. You guys have been trying to think of some way to get rid of this part and add a way for the existing solenoid in the top actuate the sear of the mag. Why don't you do this-
Make the mag simply be a bit taller. Make either a thicker rail or an add-on rail that contains a pneumatic cylinder in it that actuates the sear. It seems to me that this solenoid is less powerful and less power-consuming than the sear tripping solenoid. This could all fit EASILY within a one inch block, and could probably be made to fit in something just barely longer than the sear arm itself. That's what, like barely more than like a half inch or so? Simply disconnect the power to the main solenoid, and the thing becomes waaaay less power hungry.



OOOhhhh, I just realized something. Would this violate the PTP patent on pneumatic triggers?

[MindJob]

Ahem *cough* CeterFlag HyperFrames w/ ULT *cough*

Yeah that cough is catchy...

*cough* CeterFlag HyperFrames w/ ULT *cough*


See, now I got it. Thanks Mel.

[ScatterPlot]

***Crap, there were like three posts between my first two. Slarty, you hit right at what I was talking about.

[hitech]

Now we're veering off-topic but,

How much longer than necessary is the Mag valve open? Anyone do the calculations for the open time? With different bolt return springs?

But isn't the Mag efficiency problem not one of how much energy is used each shot but instead really a problem of how 'deep' a Mag can use a tank (the minimum pressure required to shoot)?

Don't know, except that it is too long. Given that everything else is the same shooting "deeper" into the tank will yeild more shots per tank. I can get down to about 500 psi or so on my eMag. I think the air wasted with the bolt open is much greater than the amount contained in a few hundred psi. But I don't have any numbers.

[SlartyBartFast]

OOOhhhh, I just realized something. Would this violate the PTP patent on pneumatic triggers?

Sounds like you're thinking along the lines of Punisher's pneumatic Mag.

But I may be too. Don't think I ever saw a picture of Punisher's internals.

And doesn't his work predate the PTP patent? Surely talk of it certainly does....

Time to start searching the archives of rec.sport.paintball folks.

I was discussing electronic trigger, making the shocker go full auto, and all kinds of stuff like that back in 90/91/92.