Problem with paintball?

[thorn]

i live in houston..go to katy paintball. they are cool peeps.

[nerobro]

Paintball needs a governing body only for competitive play. Not for recreational play. Same for a "stock" marker.

Since most paintballers never play competitive/tourney, most would not be willing to pay extra. I have found that the best way to play is with people you know and trust, and who want to play the same style of game you do. Paintball jerks don't bother me much, since I almost never play with them.

I beg to differ. In tourny ball, who cares how fast you're shooting. who cares what velocity your'e shooting. You're entring, knowing you're participating in the most agressive form of the sport.

Keep in mind, every sport has "stock" bits. Raquetball, football, soccer, basketball, swimming, every sport has stock equipment. why not follow their example?

A stock gun would make a huge difference in rof, reliablity, and overshooting.

The governing body is needed for both recball and tourny play. becuase "YOU" manage to play with people you like every time. that doesn't mean everyone can. And on smaller fields, you don't have a choice of who you play with.

We would bring in more players if we regulated the crap players out. It can happen. It has happened. NHRA, NASCAR, both push the crap out. We could fix the sport.

[Glickman]

you really dont go into paintball if your looking for mainly profit

Squid has earned a 3 day ban for disruptive/annoying behavior.

a mod with less then 10 posts...

thats... interesting

[kurama]

I agree with this thread. Most fields are only out for your money... There are always exceptions, but most honestly are. Fields always have bad refs, or good refs (but not enough of them). The other day, there were two private parties at the indoor speedball field, and a ton of walkons/tourney (it was raining, and they divide "walkon" and "tourney" based on your skill or what you feel like). Well, for me, walkons are very easy and I didn't have enough paint to sling for tourney. I asked the guy at the cash machine, who was asleep, if my friends and I could start a new group, do some 3v3's, and see if anyone wanted to join us. He said "sure", so we waited for the only other ref to get to the fill station and fill all of our tanks up. We waited an hour and fifteen minutes, most of which nobody was playing, before they remembered we were even there and got to play. Now, I think that the players desirve to actually play after they buy a 45$ case of paint each, or 25$ 1000 rounds, and a 20$ air/field fee. Oh, then they said after an hour and fifteen minutes that we should play walkons instead to speed it up. We said it'd be too easy, but half of the tourney players went to walkons anyways because 9v9's use too much paint... So, we played, with very poor reffing. The refs started the second round while I was still wiping paint off of my gogs, and I even told him to wait. Paintchecks were impossible, and people in the deadbox would come and play when the ref didn't look. Wiping was aweful, some guy with a cocker what chonoed at 383fps (I was sitting next to the chrono. Refs werent there to notice he didn't turn it down), people had allens, etc. Now, I am a very honest and mature player, considering I am only 14. I've never wiped, cheated, etc. The only time I came close to wiping was accidental and I called myself out anyways. Seeing this was horrible... Oh, and only one out of the 15 or so fields I've been to have actually checked for hydro dates. Yeah, this is a horror story, but the field I am referring to is always like this. Oh, and not every single cheat I mentioned happened in one game. I was at the field for 9 hours

Why are refs almost always bad? They're usually working for sponsorship, so they don't give a rat's *** how good of a job they do. When I play speedball, I usually only play with players who I know are honest or agree to be honest, and teammates. I used to be fine with cheaters, since they'd only be winning more welts from the tip of my barrel, but one game changed my opinion. In a 7 on 7, I hit 3 people off the break, 1 snapshooting, and bunkered one. Of all these people, only one guy off the break called himself out, I had to call paintcheck on the guy I snapped (he tried to wipe, but I was using some expensive paint I got from my friend), and ofcourse the guy I bunkered. This made us loose one of my best rounds I've ever had at the time. It sucked.

Anyways, rants and stories aside, I agree. Most fields suck.

[Blazestorm]

Just curious Kurama (sp) which field are you talking about, I live in washington as well...

[Blazestorm]

Blazestorm, I just have to ask; what were you thinking being on a team with that brat or your continued generosity towards him?




I must have missed that case! It definately would not happen around here! Say hello to my little friend, Mr. Beretta and his 31 companions of high-grain hydroshocks

I'd never played with the kid ever before and everyone raved about how cool he was and everything, in reality I wanted to kick him in the face. But because he was the super amazing kid, I would have been looked down on by everyone. Nobody wants to step up and tell the kid to STFU.

[Duzzy]

I only read the first page so if this has already been stated please forgive me.

However, I think everyone opinion is wrong on one level. A big portion of the problem in my area is the lack of people willing to ref. Where I am it is a thankless job, and the feild owner can afford to pay any number of refs if he wanted, it is just that no one wants to do it except for the "problem" people who want money for a new gun.

These refs (with one exception) are horrid. They call out moves to their friends, laugh off wiping, letting friends play for free, and a whole manner of other things. However, They do keep safety infractions down, so he has to keep them.

I think most of the problem is finding people willing to ref who can deal with the problems. How many people with a maturity level honestly want to put up with reffing? Maybe 5% of the population, personally I think I would make a fairly decent ref, but there is no way I have the time or the motivation to do so.

[Blazestorm]

Depends on how much I get paid, I reffed a few times for free (For entire days, for private groups and such)

[Duzzy]

Depends on how much I get paid, I reffed a few times for free (For entire days, for private groups and such)

I wish my home field had that problem... People volunteering to ref for free... And not having to wait 3 hour between games on occasion... It's almost like heaven...

[shartley]

[Duzzy]

Yes, you get what you pay for. If fields paid their staff decent wages they would get decent employees. It is not that there is not enough quality people to do a good job reffing, it is that most fields seem to not want to (or be able to) pay them what is needed.

I would say free practice time whenever they want, free feild fees, and close to wholesale prices on paint is a pretty nice wage. Especially since they can also work for cash if they choose, although most don't they choose credit towards new gear.

But in my case my point remains the same, reffing is not worth it for the few people I know who would be willing, and able to do a good job.

Most of it is probably because they don't want to deal with the current refs... But the shop owner can afford to pay for decent refs, he just can't get any with any consistency.