What if...

[REDRT]

What if we were to class the markers we use like the skill level we play? Ok, here is my idea. Seems to me there is unrest on diffferent things mostly electos and high BPS. I've posted it in some other threads, but here it is by itself.
There is classes of markers. Super electros or unlimited class as I call them. 30+bps is a standard open to discussion, but curently seems logical. Next would come electo markers with debounce and what not, not to exceed 30bps. Third I would class the RT's. Being AGD is top in this category it would put them back into main stream tournaments again. 4th I would class classic semi auto, No electronics. Finally down to pumps.
Now with the markers classed we have already established levels of skill. Pro, amateur, novice, rookie, and newbie. If we were to have each level of skill matched with the categorys of markers. Pro with all 5 marker categorys, amateur and so forth. I would think we should limited the unlimited class marker to novice and above.
I think also that a player entering a tournament that lets say is electro-rookie should be able to bring an rt, classic semi-auto or a pump if they desired but not the other way around, electro to say an rt event. Or a pro to an amateur event.
I think this format would allow us tomove foreward with both skill levels and with are particular marker choices. For the first time ever You could go to a tournament and be somewhat equal. Money becomes less of an issue. There is room for growth, both in skill and or markers. Agd would be back in full force with the rt class. The industry would have alot of things to do for sometime. Who besides tippman and AGD have an rt?
I really think it would work out for all of us. I don't think I left any body out. Details might need some fine tuning, but it seem to be a solid plan. I open this for decussion now to you.

[Chronobreak]

this idea was already brought up ine one of ronins threads.

talking about seperating markers by class.

[PBX Ronin 23]

It's been discussed frequently in the past. They've even created a Pump Division in Skyball several years back.

Would I like to see something like this? Absolutely!

Would the powers that be in paintball want to see something like this? Based on their inaction, apparently not.

[teufelhunden]

I highly doubt this would happen. There's really no uproar in the tournament scene about the mounds of paint thrown at one eachother during a game, so I don't envision this taking place there. And then if this was to happen at rec fields, you'd need to hope that enough people show up to play in four divisions. Plus, what happens when, say, there's 23 people for the 'unlimited' and 7 for 'RT'.. you know owners would say "You 3 unlimiteds, go play RT" or something similiar..

[REDRT]

this idea was already brought up ine one of ronins threads.

talking about seperating markers by class.

Yeah I brought it up then and now. You post on one of Ronins threads it gets buried. I think the idea deserves a little more light.

[REDRT]

I highly doubt this would happen. There's really no uproar in the tournament scene about the mounds of paint thrown at one eachother during a game, so I don't envision this taking place there. And then if this was to happen at rec fields, you'd need to hope that enough people show up to play in four divisions. Plus, what happens when, say, there's 23 people for the 'unlimited' and 7 for 'RT'.. you know owners would say "You 3 unlimiteds, go play RT" or something similiar..

Not at the pro level. They have a full ride. It is there job. Everyone else is struggling to buy bigger better things. The idea that I posted would help everyone whom want to try have a better chance of reaching the top. A better chance in developing the game than always changing out markers not having the money to continue on. And as always thinking it just might help AGD out to!

[Lohman446]

I agree with classing by equipment, but wouldn't classing by amount of paint on field be easier then trying to determine what marker fit where? We already have enough problems catching people who would cheat in the "legal semi-auto" division.

Division 1 (rookie) - 300 rounds per player per game
Division 2 - 600 rounds
Division 3 - unlimited

Or however, just exampled thrown out

[REDRT]

I agree with classing by equipment, but wouldn't classing by amount of paint on field be easier then trying to determine what marker fit where? We already have enough problems catching people who would cheat in the "legal semi-auto" division.

Division 1 (rookie) - 300 rounds per player per game
Division 2 - 600 rounds
Division 3 - unlimited

Or however, just exampled thrown out

Kind of like limiting fuel in a race. Interesting. I hate it and like at the same time.

[Lohman446]

Kind of like limiting fuel in a race. Interesting. I hate it and like at the same time.

Exactly, if I have a 500 mile race and give out 10 gallons of fuel you're not going to bring a super dragster. Where you will still get some laning in the beginning of a limited paint event you would be less likely to toss a pod per person downfield... I could see taking 4/5 other players and not having any paint to shoot at the 5th or something. Would result in some interest strategy moves to I bet.

[Duzzy]

I like the idea of limiting paint but I think that is even less likely because unless I am mistaken isn't that where a majority of a field's money comes from? In big tournaments it might be ok, but in local ones I doubt it would go over well.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

I think it is a good idea for competitive play, to ensure a level playing field. It woudl need some tweaking to determine exactly how many classes you could effectively run, and how to define them.

Stock Car auto racing works this way, with numerous classes based on engine size, transmission, and body type. You rarely see all classes at a single venue, unless it is quite large.

If paintball was being governed properly, the rules would be written by what makes for fair & safe competition, not by what's convenient for the players of the moment. No real progress can happen that way.

[REDRT]

The one thing I see wrong write of way is field owners loose out fo alot of money. The last 5-man I was at the team and I shot a total of 22,500 paintballs. That was over $700 in paint. Now if we were limited the field owner isn't going to make near as much. The money gained by fees alone isn't enough. Paint is the big money maker at are local fields. It's what keeps them going. If something else was devised to supplement the money deficiency maybe.

[Vanced]

I have suggested it here a few times before... But I still like the idea of limiting the guns by one thing that is very easy to control... The Hoppers...

Force Feed / Agitated / Gravity / (( EDIT: or 10 Rounders for the Stock Guys ))

Easily Limits ROF's ... Anyone who has been around long enough knows Feeding the balls was the biggest obsticle to truly high rates of fire...
Easily Check for any kind of cheating vs checking for hidden modes or fancy electronics ...
Allows players to use any style gun on any level... It's hard to convince anyone who has high dollar death cannon to play with any thing else ... And even most of questiably intelligent or expericed refs can tell the differnce and pick out offenders...
Quickly level's playing fields for as close to an overall fairness as you can hope for expecially in smaller tourny / rec games....
And the Change over from one game / one level to the next is very easy.. and VERY CHEAP !

I have suggested and played this way on a very small rec level and enjoyed it greatly...

And it is just my quick worthless virtual 2 cents for ya...

[REDRT]

I think it is a good idea for competitive play, to ensure a level playing field. It woudl need some tweaking to determine exactly how many classes you could effectively run, and how to define them.

Stock Car auto racing works this way, with numerous classes based on engine size, transmission, and body type. You rarely see all classes at a single venue, unless it is quite large.

If paintball was being governed properly, the rules would be written by what makes for fair & safe competition, not by what's convenient for the players of the moment. No real progress can happen that way.

Tweaking ok. We could class the rt's with electros if you could get people past the bounce issues and make it legal. Rts are fast when you juice them up and can hang with markers under 30bps in the 20 bps range eliminating one separate class.
Fields would have to account for the players that frequent there fields. Most pros aren't at the local fields here. So we wouldn't have pro events, but we would have rookie novice events all the time most being electro/rt class. Now with this idea we could hold newbie semi-auto to the kids and there is alot of them. They could use rental guns for the first timer that wouldn't normally do something like a tournament, cause they would get shot up! I think the possiblities could make a very positive and needed change on the hole tournament scene. It would get more people into paintball for a positive growth over all.

[REDRT]

It's hard to convince anyone who has high dollar death cannon to play with any thing else ...

I love it!