What if...

[REDRT]

There is alot of people out there that want to limit thoughs high dollar death cannons to lower BPS. I don't, but I like to see them separate for the rest of the field to give the rest of the players a chance. Maybe that is it. Separate death cannon matches in the the verious skill levels only and allow the rest to stay like it is now.

I like the term "death cannon"!

[68magOwner]

hell, i would drop my viking for a mech anyday if all anyone i was playing against had a mech, i would definately love haivng the other teams backs playing with mechs that cant hold a lane like an electro

[Dawg047]

You guys can bash my idea all you want but last time I checked, markers don't shoot themselves. I don't think events or games should be based on what type of marker you shoot. What about players like me that shoot classic mags or other middle class mechs that can still hold there own in a game dominated by electros. My father shoots a Spyder Shutter and we went down to the local field. It was 4 on 4, him some others and I, on the same team against 4 high end electros. He took all 4 of them out with 4 paintballs! That is talent folks, not the marker. I do agree on the classes by paint though. That way you could have a stock class player with lets say 200 balls against a player with a "super electro" and he would still have a great chance. That electro player is not going to rain down on him with just 200 balls. I feel that would provide an even playing field. Like Lohman446 suggested, limit the amount of paint taken on a field. If a stock player wants to go into an unlimited class because he feels he would stand a chance, let him. If a new player with a "super electro" wants to enter a rookie game with like 300 balls because he feels he is not at the level of play than the people in the unlimited class, let him. Limiting paint to create classes lets the true talent of players show. That is my few cents. Thanks.

[SlartyBartFast]

If you want to create marker classes, you need manufacturer sponsorship.

There was talk of a mechanical tournament some time ago, what happened?

Want to encourage the use of mechanical markers/promote Mags? Do the same a Kingman once did and offer a prize to any winner that use your markers. Any team who places in given tournaments and can be certified as only using Automags gets say 5000$ Make the place that gets the money the team that places highest but at a minimum one or two position below tournamnet prize money.

Want to buid a mech only or division play as a player or group of players? Good luck. You and your zero marketing budget and infintessimal industry influence are up against the industry machine and have to convince a sufficient number of teams to show up with the right equipment.

Want level playing fields without the complexity of regulating equipment? Limit paint.

Want the easiest way to equalise equipment? Rule on minimum trigger travel and pull weight (both easy to measure).

[Dawg047]

Posted by SlartyBartFast:"If you want to create marker classes, you need manufacturer sponsorship.

There was talk of a mechanical tournament some time ago, what happened?

Want to encourage the use of mechanical markers/promote Mags? Do the same a Kingman once did and offer a prize to any winner that use your markers. Any team who places in given tournaments and can be certified as only using Automags gets say 5000$ Make the place that gets the money the team that places highest but at a minimum one or two position below tournamnet prize money.

Want to buid a mech only or division play as a player or group of players? Good luck. You and your zero marketing budget and infintessimal industry influence are up against the industry machine and have to convince a sufficient number of teams to show up with the right equipment.

Want level playing fields without the complexity of regulating equipment? Limit paint.

Want the easiest way to equalise equipment? Rule on minimum trigger travel and pull weight (both easy to measure)"




I agree.

[Vanced]

There is alot of people out there that want to limit thoughs high dollar death cannons to lower BPS. I don't, but I like to see them separate for the rest of the field to give the rest of the players a chance. Maybe that is it. Separate death cannon matches in the the verious skill levels only and allow the rest to stay like it is now.

I like the term "death cannon"!

I don't want to limit the use of the guns... Heck I like bigger, newer, cooler as much as the next guy... and I hope everyone on the planet buys a high dollar gun ... It's good for the sport... no matter if is an adult with dispossible income or a kid disposing of his mom's credit card... money going into the sport is good for all in the long run... So buy a $1200 what ever and not a $120 wal-mart special

But Skill levels are too hard to define and nearly pointless when it comes to implimentation... and most players by nature want to play like and use what the best of the best are using if they can... I just want to see FIRM / SOLID / DEFINEABLE / & ENFORCEABLE rules in place and followed not matter what they are...

But back to the discussion... if you put a VL200 on a "Death Cannon" it is going to be a heck of a lot differnt than the same "Death Cannon" with a Mod'd Victory Boarded Halo ... effectively cutting the Max ROF by more than half... We all know a marker can't fire without a ball fully loaded...

And the 13 yo who is sucking up the hype & marketing can use the same gun as the players and style he is idolizing but play with it on a level that he doesn't get shot up so bad by a 31 yo who should know better...

EDIT: I wanted to add also this helps the people who can't afford the high end death cannon or like the Mech or pump markers... because a well set up or used Mech gun is going to perform on par with high dollar gun if you limit how fast you can feed it...

[REDRT]

hell, i would drop my viking for a mech anyday if all anyone i was playing against had a mech, i would definately love haivng the other teams backs playing with mechs that cant hold a lane like an electro

I think it would really catch on classing the markers for the tournaments. I know many people feel the same way, "wish we could go back, but" Last year we dicked around with rental tippmans and had a blast one day on the barrel field. We dropped our death cannons and had fun. The quest of winning has always been the bigger and better marker making it the key. You now take some of that away. Now it is the player and not so much the equipment.

[Dawg047]

Yeah. I think the problem with regulating paint or type of hoppers is first trying to get fields to do it. And then second, trying to get players to do it. I think your correct with the whole winning thing. Yeah everyone wants to win but alot of people forget that it is just a game and people are there to have fun. I like going out and just playing with my old pump every once in a while because it is fun. Gets the adrenaline going.

[SlartyBartFast]

I like the idea of other equipment sponsorship as well. Why not have a hopper sponsorship and only that type of hopper is allowed?

I remember something about a Talon tournament being discussed once as well.

Tournament fees: 50$ Registration, field fees, all day air, paint, and marker included.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

If you want to create marker classes, you need manufacturer sponsorship.

Not really. Though it would be helpful. The idea here is in the same hypothetical zone as Ronin's "governing body" thread, I think.

There was talk of a mechanical tournament some time ago, what happened?

Want to encourage the use of mechanical markers/promote Mags? Do the same a Kingman once did and offer a prize to any winner that use your markers. Any team who places in given tournaments and can be certified as only using Automags gets say 5000$ Make the place that gets the money the team that places highest but at a minimum one or two position below tournamnet prize money.

Want to buid a mech only or division play as a player or group of players? Good luck. You and your zero marketing budget and infintessimal industry influence are up against the industry machine and have to convince a sufficient number of teams to show up with the right equipment.

There will never be a level playing field as long as the industry controls the tournaments. It is not in their interest. But if the rules for competitive equipment are set forth by an effective governing body, the industry would have to adhere to them.

Your idea of following Kingman's promotional plan is a good one. You should pass that on to AGD (the company, not TK).

Want level playing fields without the complexity of regulating equipment? Limit paint.

Want the easiest way to equalise equipment? Rule on minimum trigger travel and pull weight (both easy to measure).

That's a good idea, too. But again, not going to happen unless the industry's grip on the tournaments is broken.

[ClassicMagger]

Hey:

I am thinking this is what you think the levels should be set up like:

Pro: Super electros or unlimited class

Amateur: electo markers with debounce and what not, not to exceed 30bps

Novice: RT's

Rookie: classic semi auto

Newbie: pumps

The only thing that I think you meesed up on there is you used the word skill.

This is what SKILL levels in my mind are:

Pro: Pumps

Amateur: Semi auto

Novice: RT's

Rookie: Electro markers with debounce not to exceed 30bps

Newbie: Super electros or unlimited class

You just got it backwards is all. Just a weathered paintball player's remarks.

-ClassicMagger

[Jeffy-CanCon]

The one thing I see wrong write of way is field owners loose out fo alot of money. The last 5-man I was at the team and I shot a total of 22,500 paintballs. That was over $700 in paint. Now if we were limited the field owner isn't going to make near as much. The money gained by fees alone isn't enough. Paint is the big money maker at are local fields. It's what keeps them going. If something else was devised to supplement the money deficiency maybe.

Limiting paint would severely limit the amount of money a promoter makes, no question. But from what I see, it is a vicious circle. Costs to the players are high, so the promoters entice them with valuable prize packs of uniforms, markers, etc., which eats into the promoters profits. As a player, even if you win a tourney, you are hard pressed to come out ahead after paying for practice paint, entry fees, travel, etc.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Classicmagger = right on!

[REDRT]

I don't want to limit the use of the guns... Heck I like bigger, newer, cooler as much as the next guy... and I hope everyone on the planet buys a high dollar gun ... It's good for the sport... no matter if is an adult with dispossible income or a kid disposing of his mom's credit card... money going into the sport is good for all in the long run... So buy a $1200 what ever and not a $120 wal-mart special

But Skill levels are too hard to define and nearly pointless when it comes to implimentation... and most players by nature want to play like and use what the best of the best are using if they can... I just want to see FIRM / SOLID / DEFINEABLE / & ENFORCEABLE rules in place and followed not matter what they are...

But back to the discussion... if you put a VL200 on a "Death Cannon" it is going to be a heck of a lot differnt than the same "Death Cannon" with a Mod'd Victory Boarded Halo ... effectively cutting the Max ROF by more than half... We all know a marker can't fire without a ball fully loaded...

And the 13 yo who is sucking up the hype & marketing can use the same gun as the players and style he is idolizing but play with it on a level that he doesn't get shot up so bad by a 31 yo who should know better...

Not all 13yo have the fire power of say a 21yo. Kids in the 13yo catagory seldom have much over a spider. By 21 most players have upgraded into some pretty high end stuff.
FIRM/ SOLID/ DEFIEABLE/ & ENFORCEABLE is all covered in the classing of the marker.
Look:
unlimited= 30+bps just about any thing goes here as far as marker
Electro= Electronic markers capped under 30bps
RT= juiced up bouncing triggers (could be classed with electro)
Classic semi-auto= minimags cockers ect without electronic for the marker
Pump class= A pump

No ref is going to be fooled with these guidelines. I think it is too simple. Everyone knows when you have a ramping board not hard to spot. Enforceable you bet

Even with a ramping board you can set the bps rate. If the ref thinks your firing too fast over the set speed are he has to do is look on screen what it is set for.

[Chronobreak]

30 bps would be asking for trouble......


anyhting 20-25 maybe...anything over 25~would be like allowing unlimtied HP and nitro and w/e else they wanted in nascar(not the best anology but)..

and with higher speeds comes higher risk