In Re: The Admin "Ban List"

[CaliMagFan]

I take this opportunity to make a statement and nothing more. This is not a challenge to any individual, but it might be one to our "society" as a whole.

The "Ban List" looks to me like trouble. I expect it to turn into a "My nuts are bigger" contest soon enough.

I fully dissagree with a lifetime ban on any member that is NOT partaking in a non-paintball related scam or other venture of the like. i.e. LittlePaintballBoy

Regardless of the sector, public or private, or the topic of the forum; censorship of the freely spoken or penned word is wrong.

Admins and members take a minute to recognize the source of funding/ownership of this forum and of what or whom that base of support is comprised. Then please take a moment to reflect on the age-old addage, "Do not bite the hand that feeds you."

I do not expect responses to this thread, but I will enjoy reading them if you have them.

Thank you, AO for being a place that facilitates the meeting of people like those of the Norcal group of players that I enjoyed being with last weekend. But, please indulge the idea that AO itself is not the focus here, it is the body of people under the banner that matters most.

With respect to the comment I made about funding this venture called AO, I am leaning more and more towards ICD for the purchase of a new high-end marker. Admin respose over the comming weeks will play a large part in that decision.

Thank you,
Kyle

[tony3]

Good Post.

[Conversekidz]

Its their boards to run how they want. You do not pay to keep this board alive (no member fees) and you are free to post here as ong as you follow their rules.

Honestly if you don't like how they run things, don't post on here.

[Target Practice]

I know this sounds mighty hypocritical coming from me, but if you don't like the rules, then leave.

e:fb

[Conversekidz]

p.s.

or start your own forums

[Steelrat]

Its their boards to run how they want. You do not pay to keep this board alive (no member fees) and you are free to post here as ong as you follow their rules.

Honestly if you don't like how they run things, don't post on here.

Do you think they provide this board as a public service? Its intended to serve as a meeting and discussion place for mag users, in hopes that it will "grow the business." As Kyle said, there is a danger in driving people away. Honestly, AGD needs all the friends it can get right now.

[CaliMagFan]

converse... some rhetoric...

Who owns these forums? AGD... good

how does AGD support this forum? ... money... good

Where/how does AGD make money?..... I'll leave that one partially answered... A) they have some defense contracts... and they also B) sell paintball equip. to _________..


i think you'll have no trouble filling in the blank

i'm not saying you're wrong... and i'm just making [controversial] conversation.

-kyro

[Tyger]

umm...

I hate to say this, but this is not a "public" forum in no more a fashion than McDonalds is a public place. McDonalds can refuse service to anyone for any reason, and ask you to leave the premisis.

The AO forums are like that. If you can't play by the rules, you're going to get bounced. They "own" the site, they can set up the rules any way they want. And they too can refuse service, if they so desire.

-Tyger

[mark_1791]

Ive been wondering: if someone gets perma-banned, wouldn't it be possible for them to just create a new user name and continue using the forums?

[Conversekidz]

Are you constantly buying new products directly from AGD or their suppliers? or are you buying it used from other PB players? If you are buying it used you really are not contributing money to this site at all.

So my point stands. Unless you are buying stuff constantly from them, or you are a share holder, you really don't have a leg to stand on.

This is their forum, they can run it however they see fit. I personally think they are doing a good job, and because of that it is not turning into a PBN.

[ProX9]

I agree perm banning a member like LPB increases the enjoyment of this forum, and it makes for a safer atmosphere for the kiddies.

[Chronobreak]

is LPB not banned anymore or just didnt make the list?..i dont see his s/n

and cant he just make a new one?..but i heard he did and asked about the bane then got another

[CaliMagFan]

he told me that he was on a 10 day or something like that.... then he made a new name to PM the admin, and for making a new name they banned him for life.... i think they ban your IP wich would prevail over the process of making new user names....

he is listed on the first entry of the ban list

to tyger.... kick enough members out of your macdonalds for "trivial" or "iffy" reasons and see how many customers you have after a while..... I'm thinking you're not a small business owner.

please, to all, understand I know the difference between that which is private and that which is public.... in this country all government run institutions are public, anything else is private.... thats why i said this:

"Regardless of the sector, public or private, or the topic of the forum; censorship of the freely spoken or penned word is wrong. "

Converse:
you said this--"Are you constantly buying new products directly from AGD or their suppliers? or are you buying it used from other PB players? If you are buying it used you really are not contributing money to this site at all. " and "So my point stands. Unless you are buying stuff constantly from them, or you are a share holder, you really don't have a leg to stand on. "

to which i will refer you to the starting post in this thread, i'll help you out...
"...I am leaning more and more towards ICD for the purchase of a new high-end marker."

there are 2 types of high end markers: new and used.... i bet you can guess which one i talked about in that quote.

also... about constantly buying from AGD to support them, I don't constantly buy much in life... with the exception of: car insurance, gasoline, electricity, water, all other municipal services, roads, police forces... the list goes on...

but i am a walking, talking, and fairly-decent paintball playing AGD billboard.

Guess it seems like I have two legs to stand on, doesn't it?

[REDRT]

Wow there is a list going! Shoot if it continues as quick as it is going so far there wont be any one left to talk to good or bad.

[White_Noise]

i believe that some are thinking that the bannings that are listed are showing an increase in bans. i believe that this is false and it goes to show how much happens with the forums/moderators that we didnt know about. the only thing that has changed is that the moderators have to announce who and why they ban someone. whatever LPB did to get a 10 day ban, must have been fairly bad. and i have no sympathy for him for circumventing his ban, whatever his intentions were.