The 4.xx poll - please read if you own an emag

[Muzikman]

I havn't done it myself but Miscue says that 21-23 is where the solenoid starts shortstroking at. If people want 1-3 more BPS then so be it.

Yes, but now you are getting into the gray area. One gun might work at 21bps and another might work fine at 25bps. And if you change the dwell then you start eating sears and bolts.

[REDRT]

I dought I myself can get 3.2 over 15bps at least in e-mode, yes I suck. Mechanical it rips and hybrid isn't really any better than e-mode for me. So if I could get something easier to rip with in e-mode I'd be happy. 20bps in a blink of an eye and be able to keep it there would be nice.

[Muzikman]

I dought I myself can get 3.2 over 15bps at least in e-mode, yes I suck. Mechanical it rips and hybrid isn't really any better than e-mode for me. So if I could get something easier to rip with in e-mode I'd be happy. 20bps in a blink of an eye and be able to keep it there would be nice.

So what you are saying is you want to cheat?

[Z-man]

Simple...you can't cheat with it.

And since 4.2 doesn't including ramping software it's a useless upgrade anyway...unless you LIKE getting DQ'd for un-initiated random cases of fully automatic fire.

Only 4.0-4.02 on some markers. Never had it happen on 4.0 or 4.01. Never meaning "never"

Flip that little black switch...AKA....Hybrid.

Comes standard w/ every order of E/Xmag Can o' Whoop ___.

Very true. I think that most people (as Carbon can attest to) simply have no idea how much nicer the Mag runs on a nice high flow, adjustable tanks system. Hybrid mode and E-mode toa certain degree are castrated when the tank reg starves the valve. I have said it for years and I stand by it. 3.2 software with that kind of tank and its EVERY bit as good as the 4.0 and 4.01 I used.

Yes, but now you are getting into the gray area. One gun might work at 21bps and another might work fine at 25bps. And if you change the dwell then you start eating sears and bolts.

and besides all that, you cannot even pull those speeds (I would venture to say more than 3-4 burst MAX on a good day) I left my ROF cap at 18 most of the time when I had 4.0. It's all about finding how fast YOU can pull the trigger to *just* catch the software's shot buffering. THAT is where it's at and 3.2 HAS shot buffering.

[Carbon]

seriously, get an adjustable tank, any software shortcoming should be aleviated by cranking the input to 900psi

[Enemy]

4.xx is a rare thing to come across but if you have ever shot it it feels alot more like the current electronic markers and 3.2 doesnt!! i wish i could have 4.2 but i cant so most likely i will be trading or buying a new gun really soon there is a difference between the two and it doesnt include the bps cap and extra goodies!!!

[Z-man]

i wish i could have 4.2 but i cant so most likely i will be trading or buying a new gun really soon there is a difference between the two and it doesnt include the bps cap and extra goodies!!!

You know 4.xx HAS a BPS cap.... I am certain that if the choice came down to a maker with a 40bps cap and one with an "unlimited ROF" a large number of people would be touting their unlimited one as "night and day." What can you possibly say to a person like that?

[Enemy]

You know 4.xx HAS a BPS cap.... I am certain that if the choice came down to a maker with a 40bps cap and one with an "unlimited ROF" a large number of people would be touting their unlimited one as "night and day." What can you possibly say to a person like that?

nothing i already know someone that does i just pay no mind its not the cap that interests me in 4.xx its the way it shot it was amazing plus i like how yours had the self destruct intro i need that cuz everything i own enters self destruct modes as soon as i play with it!!!

[chairman_mao]

I am still wondering what is wrong with 3.2

It's not the newest hottest software and people think that because they can't pull the trigger 25 times a second the software should make up for that. Geez you always seemed to be with it I'm begining to doubt that now

[darrickws]

really?

Simple...you can't cheat with it.

And since 4.2 doesn't including ramping software it's a useless upgrade anyway...unless you LIKE getting DQ'd for un-initiated random cases of fully automatic fire.

So the AGD sponsored teams that are only use the 4.x software to cheat? Why would they take a gun that was going to get them DQ'd out onto the field?

[Lohman446]

Let me clarify my answer... I answered I owned an E-mag and am not going back. This is not due to any software or speed issues, my e-mag was extremely fast, as fast as any marker I have shot in legal semi mode. I am not going back for these issues, priortized to me

1) ACE - LX is the Cops (perhaps it functions better, but its kept them from having ACE) of AGD, at least WDP has admitted there is a demand for something better and moved on.
2) 18V battery - I want 9 volts so spares are readily available.
3) Hybrid mode - this should have been selectable with a tool, that lever and being able to change on field made it illegal for my use as set.

This poll is obviously set (not necessarily intentionally) to slant towards those wanting new software. There is one answer for all the new features people are dreaming of, and two more answers for how much support people would give - there is an answer that the software is good enough (I thought it was) but then several more answers that will drag answers away from the "software is good enough" answer. I don't think software alone is going to give most of you what you are looking for - unless its ramping or such, which remember 4.XX did not have, at least to the best of my knowledge. I would rather see a poll, of those of who have shot e-mags, if they honestly beleive that a software upgrade will result in a faster semi-mode.

[shatter_storm]

So the AGD sponsored teams that are only use the 4.x software to cheat? Why would they take a gun that was going to get them DQ'd out onto the field?

The old AGD sponsored teams were probably using 4.x because on their markers, it didn't make them spaz out and go into runaway. They're a controlled, respected group, you can test things out in that sort of situation.

[Lohman446]

The old AGD sponsored teams were probably using 4.x because on their markers, it didn't make them spaz out and go into runaway. They're a controlled, respected group, you can test things out in that sort of situation.

From what those who have had 4XX say - as long as debounce was above 10 it was fairly stable... but it would cause runaway on low debounce settings likely due to the sear interferring with the HES sensor or some such. Thus the teams may have had it, and kept debounce higher than the interference point without having any problems. However, releasing that to the public, with its run-away issues, was not something that AGD was prepared to do under TK's leadership. I may be wrong and would welcome those who know better to correct me if I am.

[hitech]

I own an eMag and am happy with 4.1.

BTW, I have the debounce on the lowest setting and have NO problems with it. However, when 3.2 was first flashed on it I experienced HES bounce. It continued EXACTLY the same when 4.0 was first flashed on it. The HES bounce went away when I sent it into AGD to get the board replaced. I'm sure they made sure the solenoid was wired in the direction that doesn't cause problems.

I too am curious what features those with eMags would like that 3.2 does not have.

[Lohman446]

I too am curious what features those with eMags would like that 3.2 does not have.

Agreed, and I thought worthy of its own thread

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=166709

My opinion.. is that a lot of these people who want 4.XX and think it is some incredible improvement over 3.2 are having a pipe dream. Improvement, perhaps, remarkably better - I don't think so, though hitech you would be better off to tell us if there is some remarkable improvement from 3.2 to 4XX - I thought 3.2 was pretty dang good - and it was remarkably better than 1.3? I think I had, or something like that.