The 4.xx poll - please read if you own an emag

[darrickws]

Why not want the best?

I own an eMag and am happy with 4.1.

I too am curious what features those with eMags would like that 3.2 does not have.

Well, obviously you have the options to choose: 3.2, 4.0, 4.1. Why dont you go back to 3.2??

Why wouldnt a person want the best for their gun? Even it it is only 1 to 3 bps, why not want it? It is supposed to be much smoother as well.

Why has everyone gone to X-valves when it is the same thing as the RT only a little lighter? Obviously small differences are still differences, and any improvement is just that...an improvement.

It really is not a big deal to me. It is only human to want what one cant have. Both my emags still have the E-valve, but it is nice to know I can always upgrade to the X. If I was told that after 2-9-05 I couldnt get the X...I would be very tempted to purchase. Call me nuts!

[hitech]

I thought 3.2 was pretty dang good - and it was remarkably better than 1.3? I think I had, or something like that.

3.2 is dang good. 4.x is better, but not noticably faster. I believe it is coded "tighter", but only appreciate that because I write software for a living. And 3.2 is MUCH faster than 1.x (or 2.x for that mater) because it added a single level shot buffer (still within ASTM standards as I read them).

[RRfireblade]

Only 4.0-4.02 on some markers. Never had it happen on 4.0 or 4.01. Never meaning "never"

Except you are one of the lucky few. AGD,or anyone else in thier right mind, is not going to turn saftey into a crap shoot.

[Lohman446]

Why wouldnt a person want the best for their gun? Even it it is only 1 to 3 bps, why not want it? It is supposed to be much smoother as well.

What I am getting from people who have used 4.XX is the distinct feeling that you may not even get your additional 1 to 3 BPS. Sure there are some fool features. I think,that a lot of people think that this software we are discussing, that is already written, is better than it is. Now if we were discussing ramping or something..

[Evil Bob]

Going from 1.37 to 3.2 was simply amazing with just the shot buffer alone killing those dead spaces that the 2.x and below code had, that was a quantum leap for my E-mag.

4.x is just the finishing touch that makes it perfect. Sort of the difference between a $50 bottle of wine and a $200 bottle of wine. The $50 stuff is good and can get you smash, the $200 stuff just leaves you with a better overall taste and smoothness.

4.x is a complete re-write from scratch, its tigher and more efficient code. Its not that the cycle rate/BPS is any faster then 3.2, its that the whole firing process seems/feels to happen a little faster and a little smoother. Its hard to quantify, but there is something about the 4.x series that just feels better when firing over 3.2.

-Evil Bob

[darrickws]

What I am getting from people who have used 4.XX is the distinct feeling that you may not even get your additional 1 to 3 BPS. Sure there are some fool features. I think,that a lot of people think that this software we are discussing, that is already written, is better than it is. Now if we were discussing ramping or something..

You may be right. I just wondered if it was a s safe as Miscue said, has bonus features, and the posibility of a few more bps...why not release it. Again, if it was an option, many may not choose it. If they charged $20 for the 3.2 upgrade and $50 for the 4.2...I probably wouldn't do it. It just peaks my curiousity as to why the "cool" AO'ers all seem to have 4.x and are not reverting back to 3.2, but they are the first ones to say "sorry, you cant have it" and dont need it. Again it goes to the wanting something you cant have. Grass is always greener!

[REDRT]

So what you are saying is you want to cheat?

How can it be cheating if everyone else has something like it in the other brands? To me it is keeping up with the Jones's. If 3.2 was built right in the first place we wouldn't be having this discussion. Pretty sad at any tournments I've been in here you can ramp or what ever, but the red flag goes up as soon as you flip the switch to mechanical. Whats with that? My thought is the RTs shoot at x amount bps, the emag shoots at the same x bps in e-mode Easier to do, but it doesn't retain it. Emag in mechanical is the fastest for me and faster than my RTs , but you get DQ'ed for it. I'd like 4.2, but I'd settle on 3.2 1/2 everything the 4.2 has and drop the cap to 20bps to keep it reliable is fine by me. I can compromise.

[hitech]

Except you are one of the lucky few. AGD,or anyone else in thier right mind, is not going to turn saftey into a crap shoot.

I COMPLETELY understand why AGD is concerned. I also understand WHY they are not releasing 4.x. However, 4.x is just as safe as 3.2.

[RRfireblade]

I COMPLETELY understand why AGD is concerned. I also understand WHY they are not releasing 4.x. However, 4.x is just as safe as 3.2.

Prove it.

How many times did AGD 'think' 3.XX was ready and only after MANY flashes and testing across a wide range of markers both new and old found at that they were.......wrong.

[Dayspring]

Because we were beta testers .

It just peaks my curiousity as to why the "cool" AO'ers all seem to have 4.x and are not reverting back to 3.2, but they are the first ones to say "sorry, you cant have it" and dont need it.

[Bulldog]

It just peaks my curiousity as to why the "cool" AO'ers all seem to have 4.x and are not reverting back to 3.2, but they are the first ones to say "sorry, you cant have it" and dont need it. Again it goes to the wanting something you cant have.

I'm not "cool".

It should be available. You would like it, or at least a version that AGD was satisfied with, though I didn't have any issues. Too bad. Move on, or look into a devil mag.

[hitech]

Prove it.

How many times did AGD 'think' 3.XX was ready and only after MANY flashes and testing across a wide range of markers both new and old found at that they were.......wrong.

Why do you believe that 4.x is any less safe than 3.2?

It didn't take a wide range of markers being flashed with 3.2 to find the problem. it became apparent at AOSE II. There could have been more than 50 eMags, and probably far less.

[Target Practice]

Man, I'd take Mango's threads over threads filled with people too STUPID to get the 4.xx situation.

GIVE.

IT.

UP.

Jesus.

Oh, and to stay on topic, there is nothing wrong with 3.2, perhaps you should work on improving your game instead of your software.

[darrickws]

I'm not "cool".

It should be available. You would like it, or at least a version that AGD was satisfied with, though I didn't have any issues. Too bad. Move on, or look into a devil mag.

It is too bad (for me) and I am moving on. I have already contacted BlackVG to do my upgrade to 3.2. Knowing my luck, the week after I upgrade to 3.2, 4.2 will become available!!! I had 3.2 in my X-mag but couldnt justify having a $1000 gun as a back-up to a cocker. I hate cockers too! Was just hoping 4.2 could prevail.

Man, I'd take Mango's threads over threads filled with people too STUPID to get the 4.xx situation.

GIVE.

IT.

UP.

Jesus.

Oh, and to stay on topic, there is nothing wrong with 3.2, perhaps you should work on improving your game instead of your software.

A really stupid person would read and respond to these threads after they are sick of reading about it. That is the nice thing about AO...you can choose which threads you read. Nice guys like you make AO a pleasure to belong to...thanks!!!

[the123]

I would like to see a version of software that has a tourney lock for things like ROF, and shot buffering. With the trigger set how i like it, if I adjust the rof up or the buffering more sensitive, it's illegal by definition of the rules. Those adjustments can be made on field, without tools. The other issue the e/x-mags have is the chrono procedure, per mfg's instruction is to have the gun in mechanical mode and hold the trigger down between shots. Everyone knows if the gun is turned on and you do that, you can easily shoot more than 1 ball per pull. The only way around that is to use a classic valve with no trigger rod.