The 4.xx poll - please read if you own an emag

[RRfireblade]

Why do you believe that 4.x is any less safe than 3.2?

It didn't take a wide range of markers being flashed with 3.2 to find the problem. it became apparent at AOSE II. There could have been more than 50 eMags, and probably far less.

That's not true. Here's how it effected my specifically.

Had my Xmag scheduled for delivery around the same time 3.0 was supposedly good to go.Then it was found to have gliches.They shipped it with 2.4 instead.Heard 3.1 was the fix for that and since 'we' weren't equipt to flash at that point, sent it in for 3.1, got it back with 2.4 again because I needed it back in time for an event and 3.1 turned out to not be the fix.

Got it flashed to 3.1 at WC anyway and ended up having to drive back to WC again,a week later....to get 3.2.....finally.

How many people have 4.2? What's the range of markers it's on? How many new off the line and how many older seasoned Emags and how many in between? At what point does the mechanical breakdown of the soleniod and the HES sensor start to have an effect on the radiated magnetic field and what does that effect have on the software?Of those 'beta' testers,who has been keeping detailled logs of the specific days it was used,time of day,weather conditions and any other variables? What were the results of the test group?Etc?

Since I'm pretty sure no-one has valid ansewers to all those questions,I'm going to assume it's not ready.

[shatter_storm]

you guys are missing my point

This isn't about 4.xx.

4.xx isn't going to come out under the present situation. I don't care about 4.xx - I know miscue's worked on it far more than is necessary, I appreciate his hard work but he isn't releasing it and AGD isn't releasing it. 4.xx is dead as far as any of us are concerned.

How much interest is there for an alternative software version that does something similar to what 4.xx does? That's my question, that's what I want answered. If there's an interest, I might try it. If people only want 4.xx, I can't help them.

Please don't flame me for discussing 4.xx because that's not my point. I don't want it to be released, I'm not trying to convince AGD/TK/Zupe to release it.

[Lohman446]

This isn't about 4.xx.

4.xx isn't going to come out under the present situation. I don't care about 4.xx - I know miscue's worked on it far more than is necessary, I appreciate his hard work but he isn't releasing it and AGD isn't releasing it. 4.xx is dead as far as any of us are concerned.

How much interest is there for an alternative software version that does something similar to what 4.xx does? That's my question, that's what I want answered. If there's an interest, I might try it. If people only want 4.xx, I can't help them.

Please don't flame me for discussing 4.xx because that's not my point. I don't want it to be released, I'm not trying to convince AGD/TK/Zupe to release it.

Considering this is the title as of this point "The 4.xx poll - please read if you own an emag" many of us assumed it was about 4.XX. Perhaps, if you don't want people to think you are discussing a 4XX variant you should reconsider the title?

I mean that nicely

[Flow_Tech]

im really not trying to sound like a jackass here,but i am SICK AND TIRED of looking at "why wont AGD release 4.X software" "where can i get 4.X software"..they are stupid,pointless,and wastefull posts,seen as how AGD has stated that they will NOT release the software because of bugs..so stop making retarded posts on it.
EDIT-before any of you ***** me out,i dont care if this is about them releasing 4.X or not,im tired of reading stuff about emag software.

[shatter_storm]

Considering this is the title as of this point "The 4.xx poll - please read if you own an emag" many of us assumed it was about 4.XX. Perhaps, if you don't want people to think you are discussing a 4XX variant you should reconsider the title?

I mean that nicely

Editing the post's title doesn't change it's name in the forum list, otherwise it would be different. I realized your point after I re-read some of the discussion, and at that point it was too late to delete and remake the post and poll. Maybe I'll cut it short and then post another poll with clearer options.

[Target Practice]

A really stupid person would read and respond to these threads after they are sick of reading about it. That is the nice thing about AO...you can choose which threads you read. Nice guys like you make AO a pleasure to belong to...thanks!!!

I do what I can.

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[Mechanic79]

regardless the version

Perhaps the only upgrade that would be worth while is to have the software be able to compete with the 15bps cap/ramp capable. and of course keep the semi-auto 20bps cap. a shot counter with more options would be nice as well as a battery status indicator of somesort.

[shatter_storm]

im really not trying to sound like a jackass here,but i am SICK AND TIRED of looking at "why wont AGD release 4.X software" "where can i get 4.X software"..they are stupid,pointless,and wastefull posts,seen as how AGD has stated that they will NOT release the software because of bugs..so stop making retarded posts on it.
EDIT-before any of you ***** me out,i dont care if this is about them releasing 4.X or not,im tired of reading stuff about emag software.

Then don't read the posts. One of the nice things about AO is that most people can maintain a civil discussion about a topic without it degenerating into a flame fest. If you don't want to read this sort of discussion, skip the posts with that sort of subject... or just put me on your ignore list. You'll never see them.

I understand your point, the subject of 4.xx has been beat to death. I'm trying to get some numbers to end the discussion with.

[Duzzy]

I too am curious what features those with eMags would like that 3.2 does not have.

A little start-up message would be cool...

[REDRT]

Interesting enough the 4.xx isn't alot different than 3.2, but just a little more refined. The biggest improvements are debounce settings and a real bps counter so I've read. AGD capped it at 26bps, but the original was flawed. It would be nice if it had a game timer, but it is unclear to me if it did or it could be added. Please if anyone is thinking of building something put me on the immediate must have/want list. I love the over all emag, but it like to have it tweaked with out changing everything.

[Dayspring]

1.37 had a game timer.

[Muzikman]

Then don't read the posts. One of the nice things about AO is that most people can maintain a civil discussion about a topic without it degenerating into a flame fest. If you don't want to read this sort of discussion, skip the posts with that sort of subject... or just put me on your ignore list. You'll never see them.

I understand your point, the subject of 4.xx has been beat to death. I'm trying to get some numbers to end the discussion with.

If you think you can do it, do it. But remember there can be liability issues that go along with it. I hope your wallet is able to handle a lawsuit is one should come up.

Also, don't expect to make much money off of it. There are a few thousand emag users out there, but not all are going to send in their guns to you.

[hitech]

How many people have 4.2? What's the range of markers it's on? How many new off the line and how many older seasoned Emags and how many in between? At what point does the mechanical breakdown of the solenoid and the HES sensor start to have an effect on the radiated magnetic field and what does that effect have on the software? Of those 'beta' testers, who has been keeping detailed logs of the specific days it was used, time of day, weather conditions and any other variables? What were the results of the test grouped?

Since I'm pretty sure no one has valid answers to all those questions, I'm going to assume it's not ready.

If I understand you correctly, you are saying because the type of detailed testing you described above has not been done that 4.2 is not ready. You're not saying that 4.2 is not as safe as 3.2, just that "we" don't know if it is or isn't. Am I correct? If so, then we don't disagree.

I was unaware that kind of testing occurred with 3.2 . Although that level of testing has not happened with 4.2, I personally believe it is as safe as 3.2. But, I blame the hardware anyway, so...

[stop whining buy a mag]

Had an E-mag with 4.00. Never really experienced any problems of F/A or any other crazy issues.

The main issue is the solenoid. Mine would not keep up after about 18 BPS. In mechanical with an adjustable tank I can absolutely rip away, but with electronics on I was limited. I just liked the features of 4.XX. BPS counter, Cool phrase when you pull out the battery pin, and debounce selection. It just shoots a heck of a lot smoother than 3.2. I'm sure if someone had some spare time like Miscue they could come up with a new software version and make a nice $$$ on it.

Of course this would probably piss off AGD and several other techs because they will only flash up to 3.2 when such and such will give you all those other features for a little more $$. I think that is a good reason for AGD to take care of this issue. If someone else steps in they will never see another penny for software upgrades.

So will someone get a new software version going so I can have a reason not to get rid of my E-mag?

As far as the safety goes, you guys have to take a step back. AGD has been great at making everything as safe as possible. I don't know how you could hurt yourself with a mag. Many other companies don't give a @#$% about safety when it comes to F/A issues etc. If you can't beat them then just join them. I'm not saying be as dangerous, but at least be competitive with them.

[BigEvil]

If your not happy with the software and not willing to get a different gun, then spend the $$ and get a Predator Morlock installed.

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