NEW Smart Parts Midlevel Low Price Marker

[Evil1]

I may have to pick one of these up to try it out.

[Enemy]

for those of you that are telling steelrat that the saying you get what you pay for is a crok!!
shot a dm4 then shot a spyder or tippman tell me there is no difference!! now drive a civic then drive a ferrari 360 hell drive a porsche boxter or a corvette and tell me that the civic handled better had a better torque curve!! even felt better and i will slap you for lieing!!
you get what you pay for. be it that some things may have bigger value than others see corvette versus viper!! but a corvette has its downfalls from a viper and a viper from a ferrari and a lower end ferrari from a lamborgihni(sp im tired), lambo from enzo, enzo from mclarren f1!! hmm see a pattern here!!

now seeing smartparts quality control among other things i see me becoming a tech on this marker quick because i see lots of tear downs and even more telling kids that same phrase you get what you payed for!!

[CoolHand]

for those of you that are telling steelrat that the saying you get what you pay for is a crok!!
shot a dm4 then shot a spyder or tippman tell me there is no difference!! now drive a civic then drive a ferrari 360 hell drive a porsche boxter or a corvette and tell me that the civic handled better had a better torque curve!! even felt better and i will slap you for lieing!!
you get what you pay for. be it that some things may have bigger value than others see corvette versus viper!! but a corvette has its downfalls from a viper and a viper from a ferrari and a lower end ferrari from a lamborgihni(sp im tired), lambo from enzo, enzo from mclarren f1!! hmm see a pattern here!!

now seeing smartparts quality control among other things i see me becoming a tech on this marker quick because i see lots of tear downs and even more telling kids that same phrase you get what you payed for!!

Ah yes.

So by this logic the Mag should be only a fuzz more reliable then . . . . . . . right? Its not too much higher with the basic options.

I have seen kids by Shockers and fight with them, then they sell or trade them off and show up with a DM4, which they then fight with, so they trade that off for a Timmy which they have a butt load of trouble with. So, after their last high end uber marker option is gone, they trade down for an Imp or something cheaper, and learn how to tech the durned thing, and then they are happy.

The simple fact is that most people who have gun issues have them because they don't know what they are doing, or they are ham handed when they are working (IE, I cranked on the threads 'till they pulled out. "This gun sucks, I was only using a 1/16th" allen key with a 4" cheater bar on it. ").

It has been my experience that the Shocker does suffer from some poor ano jobs, and wide tolerances (some cans won't seal in some bodies), but these were mostly seen in the early bodies (where they were still feeling out the manufacturing of them). The bodies are also made from very soft alum, this is known up front, treat them accordingly. Hopefully SP has learned that uber fine threads + uber soft alum = stripped threads. I would like to see a lot of coarse thread fasteners (if not all coarse thread). That is one thing I will look at when mine shows up.

It looks to be pretty simple to take apart, and should be easy to totally rebuild, so its not like you can't throw an oring kit at it and fix 90% of the problems you'll encounter. The 'noid doesn't require grease or lube of any kind (in fact the manual warns you not to open up and lube the solenoid at all). I think SP really sat down and thought about ways to make this marker easy to maintain, and to take long stretches of use without much (if any) real maintenance.

I'm glad to see this, it shows they are actually thinking, and developing things. Very good to see after so many years of nothing new, now we have three new markers in two years, two of which are fairly sniggly in design, and the other is a well executed refinement of a system that is a proven performer. Not too bad IMO. Lawsuits and all that other crap aside, they are really on a roll.

[tyrion2323]

I really think Logic is hitting the nail on the head here. But then again, he's an established tech and such, so I tend to take him seriously.

Why is half of the AO population ripping on a gun that 0% have shot? Perhaps it stinks, and perhaps it rocks. Lohman will let us know how his comes out. If someone like Nicad or Logic decided to make aluminum body sleeves, then you wouldn't have to worry about the polymer sleeve. But then again, why are we bashing it because it's not metal? I have seen ZERO complaints from AOers about the AGD Carbon Fibre frames which come stock on the RTPRO. Why the discrimination?

To those who seek to compare this (and every gun) to the automag, I have some questions:

Why would you need it to handle 3000psi input? Does your tank output that much psi?
Why would you need it to survive falling into a river? Do you submerse your gun prior to games?
Why would you need it to survive being run over by a tank? Do you mishandle your gun frequently?
Why would you need it to be mechanical? Electronics have proven themselves time and time again.
Why is AGD Hybrid mode okay while Rebound mode is not okay?
Why is Predatoring an EMAG or Devil-mag considered okay, but having Rebound not okay?
Why does a powder coated SP gun suck, but a powdercoated mag rock?
Why does its efficiency have to be compared to an elite AKA gun at thrice the price?
Why does having polymer parts on an SP gun make it cheap, but having carbon fibre frames on automags is okay?
What would you HONESTLY say if AGD released this gun?

These are just questions to consider before typing another "it's not as good as a mag" post.

[SAW]

If Lohman comes back with a good rating, this will definitely be my newest marker...

[bulzeye]

great idea by SP. now they can battle it out with ICD, dragun, odyssey, kingman. the fact is this isn't going to cut into the high dollar market like most of you think. the spoiled kids are still going to be getting the dm5's, alias', and every other 1000 dollar gun.

this however does open up a new page in having a fairly reliable backup marker. this may be a good gun, it may not. nobody knows yet. my only concern would be the fact that SP has always used cheaper materials. I could only imagine how cheap they went on this. lets not forget they are still going for maximum profit here.

so it probably cost them 75-100 to make it maybe a lil more. they turn around and sell it fro 200+ to a dealer.

last time i checked the prices for aluminum were at a all time high and they keep going up. there is no way this body touched a cnc machine, which would make me wonder about tolerances. for being such a "simple" gun remember all the problems the shocker sft had.

there is no doubt this will be an instant success.

[SlartyBartFast]

so please don't lecture me for statements I never made.

The world doesn't revolve around you. I wasn't talking to you specifically.

If what I said affects you that much, well that's your problem. Not mine.

[SlartyBartFast]

You make some good points, but when it comes to fabrication and production, quality = $$$.

But you're missing my point entirely. Or perhaps I'm not being clear enough.

If the added "quality" or production costs have nothing to do with performance and reliability "you get what you pay for" is completely subjective.

Take the difference between an Xmag and Emag. $1400 vs. $800. That's not $600 worth of "quality" in my eyes. That's $600 of eye candy and flash. The internals, how they operate, how they perform, and their reliability are identical.

A very import factor in determining manufacturing cost is identifying critical tolerances, critical finishes, and performing QA checks only on those parts that are critical and at a reasonable frequency. In the case of this marker, those would be the internals. The slide on body eliminates all the tolerances and finishing costs from the external metal surfaces. Whether tolerances and quality control of the interior parts is compromised, no one on this list has a clue.

As far as cars go, yes you get more for your money with more expensive cars. But it depends what kind of performance your looking for and what kind of looks and comforts.

If my interest is racing and speed, the typical mod car with $10,000+ of stereos and DVD players certainly isn't value for money in my eyes.

[Carazy]

Video on the site has been removed. Anybody have a mirror?

[magsRus]

is that the same trigger frame that they use on a Shocker?

[11_Mile_TMaster]

I really think Logic is hitting the nail on the head here. But then again, he's an established tech and such, so I tend to take him seriously.

Why is half of the AO population ripping on a gun that 0% have shot? Perhaps it stinks, and perhaps it rocks. Lohman will let us know how his comes out. If someone like Nicad or Logic decided to make aluminum body sleeves, then you wouldn't have to worry about the polymer sleeve. But then again, why are we bashing it because it's not metal? I have seen ZERO complaints from AOers about the AGD Carbon Fibre frames which come stock on the RTPRO. Why the discrimination?

To those who seek to compare this (and every gun) to the automag, I have some questions:

Why would you need it to handle 3000psi input? Does your tank output that much psi?
Why would you need it to survive falling into a river? Do you submerse your gun prior to games?
Why would you need it to survive being run over by a tank? Do you mishandle your gun frequently?
Why would you need it to be mechanical? Electronics have proven themselves time and time again.
Why is AGD Hybrid mode okay while Rebound mode is not okay?
Why is Predatoring an EMAG or Devil-mag considered okay, but having Rebound not okay?
Why does a powder coated SP gun suck, but a powdercoated mag rock?
Why does its efficiency have to be compared to an elite AKA gun at thrice the price?
Why does having polymer parts on an SP gun make it cheap, but having carbon fibre frames on automags is okay?
What would you HONESTLY say if AGD released this gun?

These are just questions to consider before typing another "it's not as good as a mag" post.

To be fair... when I feel my AGD Carbon Fiber frame, I honestly think it is every bit as sturdy as the Intelliframe. I can't quite say the same for, say, the Plastic PMI E-Frames.

As for durability.... Keep in mind the target market. Let's face it, some of these people tend to mishandle their equiptment. I cringed when I saw someone nearly crossthread their tank into their brand new impulse at a local field.

A lot of people prefer the feel of a mechanical trigger. That was actually the primary reason I never e-bladed my autococker.

Hybrid != Ramping. Sure, it's another way to increase the rate of fire, but they do not work the same way. As for predators, yeah, you've got a good point there. I still question the logic of putting ramping into a 300$ gun, however.

As for Powdercoating, I honestly don't know what all the fuss is about. I think, however, one worry people might be having is that this is going to screw up Tolerances, something which I've seen a lot of people complain about in regards to smart parts. If it's not that, then I don't know what they're complaining about.

[Steelrat]

The world doesn't revolve around you. I wasn't talking to you specifically.

If what I said affects you that much, well that's your problem. Not mine.

When you quote me, then use the term "you," what else am I supposed to think?

Grow up.

[SlartyBartFast]

When you quote me, then use the term "you," what else am I supposed to think?

Grow up.

Next time I'll generalise more. Get real.

You might not like it but I still stand by what I said.

What are you paying for: A marker that can shoot paint quickly and reliably.

Are you getting it? Possibly.

I'm still waiting for one person on this Forum to tell me why a lack of hundreds of dollars worth of cosmetics is reason for so much hate, or why they're so shallow as to judge a marker on cosmetic quality.

[tyrion2323]

Okay guys, chill out now.

[Steelrat]

Okay guys, chill out now.

When I'm attacked, I will defend myself. Sorry, but thats the way it has to be.

As for people attacking the gun, certainly no one should be hating on it, though people can critique its design elements, and make mention of previous issues SP has had with QC. HOWEVER, if you are going to get upset with all the people making negative comments about it, shouldn't you also get upset with those people showering it with praise? After all, no one on here has held it or shot it, so how can we possibly know if it sucks OR if its great.