NEW Smart Parts Midlevel Low Price Marker

[Lohman446]

TO the tolerance issues - a marker not going to anno may be easier to get to close tolerances than one that is. Recall all the anno issues TK had with X-mags and how many batches were delayed. You may find this to work better as for tolerances - recall what Coolhand has said in the past about the tolerance issues from polishing - so you can all get over the inheritent tolerance issue... now SP and tolerances - while the spool valve uses a lot of O-rigns on it to make up for tolerance issues. O-rings to make up for tolerance differences... would that be like Level ten spacers??

TO the looks - is it performance or looks we are after?

Ill judge it next week, when I get mine

[gc82000]

I will pass on this gun.

[slade]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
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February 10, 2005


Smart Parts Inc.
100 Station St.
Loyalhanna, PA 15661

We're proud to have produced a paintball marker like no other. The Ion was built to be the marker for anyone who loves the game: simple to maintain, easy to use, designed for winning. It takes abuse like a rental gun, but throws paint with the best of them.

sounds like a mag to me.

You'll have the accuracy, range and rate of fire the Pro's enjoy for just a little more money than most entry level markers. The days of having to spend tons of cash to get what you want are over.
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-- The trademark accuracy and range you expect from Smart Parts.

i refuse to even consider buying a marker from any company that advertises range without mentioning spin, especially twice. and accuracy is more dependant on the paint, it is shot to shot velocity consistancy that matters as far as the gun is concerned. and that is probably the same or WORSE on this marker than any other one. It is just pathetic that i seem to know MORE about engineering and accuracy and range than a whole company. or do they just base their marketing off the ignorance of their customers? are they targeting the uninformed, because no one with any knowledge in this area would consider buying this marker?

-- 17 balls per second semi-auto rate of fire with 3 shot burst, full auto and our Rebound firing mode.

oh great, so theyre relying on ramping again to sell their markers.

-- Break-beam Vision eyes: Reliable and durable, the eyes are mounted on a separate board for perfect alignment.

sounds good, but im a bit concerned about the quality.

-- Body Kits: A first for paintball. High-end aluminum internals are protected by composite shells--allowing you to instantly change the color or look of your body. Tired of blue? Switch to red. Or black. Or yellow. The Ion comes in four colors--and there are more body styles in the works...

i guess thats an attraction for newbs, a good selling strategy, but personally i would rather have a well built, quality, plain black body than cheap plastic shells to hide the poor milling job, and (i assume) to cut costs by removing the need for anodization. but, anodization makes the metal stronger and more resistant to wear, so wouldnt this result in quicker and more severe internal wear?

-- Impulse barrel and feed tube threads: Take advantage of the upgrades you may already have.

an impulse costs ~$500. this marker $300. how many people would be moving from an impulse to this?

-- Reliability: The Ion was engineered to stand up to the demands of professional players. And it will outlast what used to be considered high end. The Ion shoots like a Pro--straight out of the box--and won't break down the minute you get it home.

Its a shocker. for $300. with break beam eyes. its partially plastic. i have heard MANY issues with sp markers, design issues, quality control, wearing, etc., that retail for $700-1000. something tells me that if the cost of a marker like that is MORE than cut in half, it will be VERY unreliable.

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...and thats supposed to convince me how?

I forsee MANY quality issues with this marker, its a $700 marker (that had issues itself) that was cheapened down. unfortunately (IMO) i think this will sell well to newbies, which i guess was what SP was hoping for.

For those of you that took the time to read this, thank you. i probably repeated things, but i havent as of yet read through the whole thread. time to go do that

[pump]

"very efficient on air. You can expect 1000-1400 shots on a 68 4500."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA HA

well compared to the shocker and imp is it

so what would that make of Vikings Excals and Cyborgs????
super duper efficienct

[dj89]

Dose any one remeber the freak tip and hammer? For 300 i think i may do it.

[Glickman]

Its a shocker. for $300. with break beam eyes. its partially plastic. i have heard MANY issues with sp markers, design issues, quality control, wearing, etc., that retail for $700-1000. something tells me that if the cost of a marker like that is MORE than cut in half, it will be VERY unreliable.

unforunitly, thats because you need common sense to maintain paintball guns. alot of newbies buy impulses and shockers not knowing what they are doing. ive had a soleniod go on my shocker (just the o-rings really) but all it takes is a little common sense. Ive had an imp thats like a rock; lube before i play, and ive only had to replace the reg o-rings this month, after about 3 1/2 years.

the only plastic parts is the body shroud. machining a aluminum body wouldnt be hard to do, i thought i saw they it is held in by screws, so it would not be difficult . (although not saying ALL that much, but theres a reason that the military is now using composite bodies in their weapons, ie. xm8)

I forsee MANY quality issues with this marker, its a $700 marker (that had issues itself) that was cheapened down. unfortunately (IMO) i think this will sell well to newbies, which i guess was what SP was hoping for.

we shall see. if im not hit by a bolt of lightning in the next 30 seconds, im buying it, and ill post a full review including videos (it would come by monday) *runs fast!!!*

[mag88888]

people, stop arguing about how he dont like SP. its a great idea, definitely. AGD couldve, shouldve done this. if we had a gun like the ION, we could backup our sales with the x mag. in fact, we should do that. i hope AGD is hiding something and BAM new AGD gun. congrats to SP for the idea, but congrats for being such dicks for sueing AGD.

[pump]

congrats for SP lieing saying that 1000-1400 shots is very efficient

[txaggie08]

theres an awful lot of conjecture about this gun being low quality for noone having one yet. i hate to say it but those 1500+ dollar guns floating around......im willing to bet they didnt cost nearly that to make. the best case scenario with this gun is its simply cheaper to produce, owing to the lack of machiningnecessary to manufacture. thats were the higher end gun realy stick it to you, is the machine work, especialy on the bodys. take a macro economics class and watch the proff laugh at you when you quote "you get what you pay for". law of diminishing returns here we come.

lets give it half a chance for we call it a cheap piece of crap(wich it very well may be i have no idea....... if it gets god reviews i may next moth though whoop!!!)

[mag88888]

is the gripframe plastic too?

[dj89]

people, stop arguing about how he dont like SP. its a great idea, definitely. AGD couldve, shouldve done this. if we had a gun like the ION, we could backup our sales with the x mag. in fact, we should do that. i hope AGD is hiding something and BAM new AGD gun. congrats to SP for the idea, but congrats for being such dicks for sueing AGD.

They never sued agd from what i under stand. AGD will not sell a POC marker like SP will.

[Glickman]

congrats for SP lieing saying that 1000-1400 shots is very efficient

this is enough uninformed crap.

"efficient" or "accurate" or "best" is all opinionated. for me, i could say efficient was 1800 shots, while someone else could say it was 800..

congrats to SP for the idea, but congrats for being such dicks for sueing AGD.

wasnt it lincoln that said:
"It's better to remain silent and be thought an idiot than to speak and remove all doubt."



incase you didnt get the memo, the fad is over...

[thorn]

well, it definately wont touch my freestyle. i might buy one for a backup. but for u mag owners, u guys screw back ups and keep playing. DANG YOU MAG OWNERS< YOUR GUNS JUST WON"T BREAK!

lol

[Steelrat]

A cute yet meaningless cliche/generalisation.

There's always a value/money calculation and higher priced is NOT always higher value.

Also, what are you "paying for". When you buy a 2$ cotton t-shirt for 25$ because it has you favorite logo on it, what exactly are your "paying for". Nothing but hype and image.

Performance and utility would be identical in that example.

Another example could be SubZero refrigerators. Worst service history in the business. In that case you're paying through the nose for WORSE performance and utility.

Now, if you want a marker that will last you a season (yet to be seen I know) and can shoot the 15bps limit. What "value" do you get in spending three times as much for a different marker?

Looks? Hype? Image? Yes.
Performance/utility? Unless you've shot the thing and have data to backup reliability claims you should keep your mouth shut until the data is out and you've tried it yourself.

And if you still fall back on the pretentious "It looks cheap." argument, then I have only one thing to say:

IT IS CHEAP! :rofl:

#1-I NEVER said anything about it looking cheap, so please don't lecture me for statements I never made.

#2-"You get what you pay for" is perfectly applicable in this case. You get a cheap body with a plastic shell, no real milling or anodization. You also get a polymer frame and what looks to be a polymer reg. I am sure there are other tradeoffs, though I said NOTHING about its reliability, if you bothered to read my post. So please get off your high horse. I must have missed the part where we switched topics from the ION to clothing and refrigerators, because when I said "You get what you pay for" I was referring only to the ION. Please spare me your lectures, professor.

[Glickman]

heres one cool thing. being plastic, and the shell being held in by screws, its feasable to have totally custom bodies.

now every forum can have their own body can you guess who is who?



(eh, just trying to occupy my time )