NEW Smart Parts Midlevel Low Price Marker

[Lurker27]

breakbeam eyes as a part are less expensive than bouncers.

the use of bounce in low end is most likely due to the lack of necessity of a logic inverter.

[RogueFactoryKid]

Hmmm....Predator II board or an ion.....Something to ponder over.

[SlartyBartFast]

You get what you pay for.

A cute yet meaningless cliche/generalisation.

There's always a value/money calculation and higher priced is NOT always higher value.

Also, what are you "paying for". When you buy a 2$ cotton t-shirt for 25$ because it has you favorite logo on it, what exactly are your "paying for". Nothing but hype and image.

Performance and utility would be identical in that example.

Another example could be SubZero refrigerators. Worst service history in the business. In that case you're paying through the nose for WORSE performance and utility.

Now, if you want a marker that will last you a season (yet to be seen I know) and can shoot the 15bps limit. What "value" do you get in spending three times as much for a different marker?

Looks? Hype? Image? Yes.
Performance/utility? Unless you've shot the thing and have data to backup reliability claims you should keep your mouth shut until the data is out and you've tried it yourself.

And if you still fall back on the pretentious "It looks cheap." argument, then I have only one thing to say:

IT IS CHEAP! :rofl:

[Igotu]

Kinda like what wgp did with the trillogy. They dont dominate the shevles but this is different it has potential.

[Glickman]

Hmmm....Predator II board or an ion.....Something to ponder over.

or a ion WITH a predator board

[BigEvil]

It is nothing like a stingray. Find a single similarity. Yes, it uses a polymer shell, but the body itself is aluminum.

Again, they way i see it is that we shouldn't judge it until it's been out for a bit.

Look boys and girls, even though I think this thing is going to be cheaply made, I still think its a great idea.

SP just created a whole new class of paintball gun.

This is has the potential to grab a giant chunk of that "pie" that some many people talk about. I also bet that this will be responsible for more companies going out of business than there lawsuits.

[Vanced]

What I said earlier... It's a great concept... We can debate about it's quality, durablity, and over all function later...

But the only thing I am worries me more and more about it the longer I think about it is... and what I doubt too many of use if were honest with ourselves is that...

There is going to be a whole lot of 17bps full auto going on at the local field .... That worries me...

Note: yeah it has always been out there before but never in this quick easy affordable out of the box fashion.... And we'll get to see if fears some around here hold of Full Auto causing lawsuits... maybe slay one of the biggest law suit beasts of the paintball world...

And I like the "Space Marine Armor" refernce for thoose to know what it means...

[RogueFactoryKid]

There is going to be a whole lot of 17bps full auto going on at the local field .... That worries me...

Only goes up to 10 bps in 3 shot and full auto.

[BigEvil]

A cute yet meaningless cliche/generalisation.

There's always a value/money calculation and higher priced is NOT always higher value.

Also, what are you "paying for". When you buy a 2$ cotton t-shirt for 25$ because it has you favorite logo on it, what exactly are your "paying for". Nothing but hype and image.

Performance and utility would be identical in that example.

Another example could be SubZero refrigerators. Worst service history in the business. In that case you're paying through the nose for WORSE performance and utility.

Now, if you want a marker that will last you a season (yet to be seen I know) and can shoot the 15bps limit. What "value" do you get in spending three times as much for a different marker?

Looks? Hype? Image? Yes.
Performance/utility? Unless you've shot the thing and have data to backup reliability claims you should keep your mouth shut until the data is out and you've tried it yourself.

And if you still fall back on the pretentious "It looks cheap." argument, then I have only one thing to say:

IT IS CHEAP! :rofl:

You make some good points, but when it comes to fabrication and production, quality = $$$. Especially in a small industry like paintball, where the productions numbers are relatively low, and the mark ups are not nearly the same percent and other wholesale items.

TO get something machined to +/- ten thousanths it may cost you $100. TO get that same peice machines to +/- two thousanths, that may cost you $700. The numbers im using are hypothetical, but not unrealistic. What kind of tollerences could there possibly be on a $300 marker with the same features as a $900 one? What is the wholesale price of the same gun that retails for $300? I'm telling you now, major cost and corner cutting is going on here.

Then again, what the heck do I know? I still think its pretty damn cool.

[GT]

I am lost as to why people keep comparing agd to sp. Its kinda like comparing Kingman to PPS. agd makes on gun, that it. The sell only a few thousand a year, big guess. How many guns do you think sp sells in a year? Besides we all know a mag is a gun that you can play with the rest of your life.

Hell, as the features indicate, this gun is DISPOSABLE! Still a good deal for 3 bills. I agree with coolhand the guys looking to break into the tourney's for cheap are starting to get alot of good choices.

[trevorjk]

So much hate, the features that gun has are amazing for 300, no gun in that range has breakbeam eyes.

pmi evo?

[REDRT]

This little baby is going to set the rest of the industry on its collective ear. Might bankrupt AGD. Get a real Electronic tournament class marker for less money than an old RT. Could happen. If it works and works good there is going to be alot of them sold. It will bring many more under the Smart Parts Flag. Putting Smart Parts on top. Here I thought they were dumb.

[Beemer]

Ok what did I miss???????????????????

This is from Jack and Coke post #40

Now, what about performance? This is where the ION really shines - a magno-trigger that delivers 17 BPS with a break-beam anti-chop eye! Smart Parts introduces their first break-beam eye with this marker and get this - the eyes are housed on a board that slides into the body.Switch modes from semi, rebound, to 3 shot burst and full auto (3 shot and full are capped at 10 BPS).

Full and burst are capped at 10 so where does 17bps come from????

[Glickman]

This is from Jack and Coke post #40



Full and burst are capped at 10 so where does 17bps come from????

17 bps semi (not that many people can reach that high without bounce anway )

[trevorjk]

This is from Jack and Coke post #40



Full and burst are capped at 10 so where does 17bps come from????

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take most guns that have modes now adays, just like spyders, and angels. ramping, full auto and the such are all usually capped at a lower BPS then regular semi Auto. so the 17bps is the Cap for semi auto.