Something New for Tom to think about

[evan123]

Tom is out of paintball?

[SOAD8789]

yeah, i was wondering why tom would want to think about this too...as he no longers owns agd...

its a great theory, but wouldnt the air that you send down the barrel prior to the gun actually firing make up for the air that you would actually save from firing the formal way? i doubt it would completly negate the effect, but would it actually be worth it? If you want to try and do this, it would be badass...

when a marker is firing at 15 BPS, wouldnt air already be moving out of the barrel though? that is really fast, and there is probably still some air moving out of the barrel when the next paintball is discharged....maybe not.

[Miscue]

yeah, i was wondering why tom would want to think about this too...as he no longers owns agd...

Yes he does.

[nuclear zombie]

air usually expands in a spherical direction , yes you can direct and guide it to an extent. after you've injected the air pulse into the barrel it could momentarily form a vaccum in front of the ball. However that area of vaccum will collapse faster than the ball can accellerate and posssibly causing a negative effect as the inertia of the air rushing to fill the void creates another even larger force to overcome than what you started out with. If you accelerate the ball fast enough to use the vaccum then you still have to contend with air you just released in front of it which will be slowing down ( in a sense that it will be expanding less rapidly as it approaches equilibrium wiith the atmospheric pressure)


edited for spelling

[Kallahan]

Ok, edited previous post to clear up something. When air expands it expands in every direction it can, normally it cannot expand back towards you much during the firing of the paintball because the marker is in the way, this directs the airflow forward, but a paintball will deform under presure, so putting HP air in front of the paintball first will sqiush the painball against the bolt. You could direct the airflow mostly away from the ball (IE send it through angled ports going into the barrel after the breach, but that would only exsaperate the effect. Fluids in general go from high pressure to low pressure, putting a stream of air, even air going out will still be pulled to the low pressure area behind the high pressure stream. Evacuating air from a chamber requires a vacume (well you can fill the chamber with water or anything denser than air, but thats beside the point). Also that would be fairly complex.

[trains are bad]

Honestly, this is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard.

[Kallahan]

Honestly, this is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard.

Please do not flame. Be nice and back up your thoughts with reasoning.

[AGDlover]

ya dude you cant blame him for thinking of an idea and asking questions about it

[slade]

ok, from what i see this would have no positive effects on firing a paintball. the small air dump in front of the ball would cause the pressure to INCREASE, and even if you take into account the air moving away from the ball this would still negate from the efficiency and add pressure on the ball. I think see where you are coming from with the vacuum in front of the ball, im assuming you mean a vacuum will be created right after the pressure from the first shot dissipates, but even IF a vacuum was created (i dont know quite enough to know if one would be) the second shot would have to be fired at the EXACT right time so that it would not fire before, when there is still pressure left, or too late, after the vacuum has dissipated. and also the vacuum would be too small for there to be much of an effect if any. another thing you have to consider is the fact that the air pressure from the first shot will push against the ball, pushing it back into the barrel. also you mentioned the ball becoming deformed with the high air pressure. Tom did research on this and found out that the ball barely becomes misshapen at all. this mod would not make a difference on the deformation of the paint. also if the first shot is low pressure, and the second is higher, the pressure from the second may go back down the hose and blow something. unlikely, but possible.

i see where your comeing from but if you watch a paintball comeing out of a barrel in slow-mo u can actualy see that a paintball foarms an oval shape because of the speed. thus being said because of the speed it wouldnt help at all

no, that is because of the shutter speed. the ball moves slightly while the shutter is open and thus it appears elongated. if you had a camera with a REALLY fast shutter speed you could see the ball in midair undeformed.

[trains are bad]

Thoughts???

How was I flaming? He asked for my opinion.

[tyrion2323]

The idea won't work. The reason is because the creation of a vaccuum dictates that there must be an almost hermetic seal between the ball and the air. By shooting a small bit of air into the barrel, no seal is created, and it would simply displace a bit of air without creating that seal.

My guess is that you're trying to recreate the effect of car-engine headings. Awesome idea, but it won't work.

[Echo419]

Why would Tom need to think about it... Tom isn't the head anymore

[Jack & Coke]

Even if, hypothetically, this increased range by 200 feet....

[AGDlover]

ok, from what i see this would have no positive effects on firing a paintball. the small air dump in front of the ball would cause the pressure to INCREASE, and even if you take into account the air moving away from the ball this would still negate from the efficiency and add pressure on the ball. I think see where you are coming from with the vacuum in front of the ball, im assuming you mean a vacuum will be created right after the pressure from the first shot dissipates, but even IF a vacuum was created (i dont know quite enough to know if one would be) the second shot would have to be fired at the EXACT right time so that it would not fire before, when there is still pressure left, or too late, after the vacuum has dissipated. and also the vacuum would be too small for there to be much of an effect if any. another thing you have to consider is the fact that the air pressure from the first shot will push against the ball, pushing it back into the barrel. also you mentioned the ball becoming deformed with the high air pressure. Tom did research on this and found out that the ball barely becomes misshapen at all. this mod would not make a difference on the deformation of the paint. also if the first shot is low pressure, and the second is higher, the pressure from the second may go back down the hose and blow something. unlikely, but possible.


no, that is because of the shutter speed. the ball moves slightly while the shutter is open and thus it appears elongated. if you had a camera with a REALLY fast shutter speed you could see the ball in midair undeformed.

but its still an un stable shpere so it doesnt keep a constant shape

[Army]

Paintballs do NOT wobble in flight. The shell is too stiff for that.

..And yes, AGD has already proven this too. Pictures are available in Deep Blue.