Who needs to aim? Angel speeds suck.

[bull]

Not trying to sound too harsh but:

1. you said your "squad" and "squad members", kinda sounds like a team that normally plays together
2. Iam a walk-on too when my team goes out and plays rec-day (we also have seperate practice days), just dont have to play like that.
3. Never said you were tourney players - just 20 bps is more for the tourney teams
4. Yes you can stop from overshooting 20 balls - don't do it. Even when I had my impluse out on rec days I never tried to fire more than three shots. When I had my electro-spyder I did not use the three round burst, to easy to overshoot. When Iam on the field and overshoot, which I consider three balls hitting someone, I try to meet up with them and say Iam sorry. If I ever hit anyone and made them cry I would stop what I was doing and check on them. (we have done that in the past when a kid got hit once and was crying). Any of you guys stop and check on the kid, from what you wrote you just continued playing...oh well to bad so sad huh

[Lohman446]

My normal squad got together on the same team in an effort to totally dominate the field like we usually do.

#3 We were not a team, nor do any of us play tourny on teams or as teams.

You used to be able to hear the space between shots on his old marker, and with the new one it quite honestly sounds like on constant stream. My friend did his usual constant stream and basically lit them up (and I'm not faulting him really they were in the brush).

#6 Yes if there is a person in front of us from the other team, we shoot them, that's part of the game. If they are young we TRY not to over shoot them but in the brush it can be hard to make that determination.

The poor kid must have cried for about 10 minutes while we continued to play the game around them (they weren't walking off cause the kid was screaming bloody murder and dad was trying to comfort).

#1 It's a rec field.

So what did I misread?
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[XSSPL]

Personally - I have played against and with all kinds... all kinds of people with all kinds of equipment in all different types of games and settings.

Any player with any marker with any amount of paint should be allowed to play in any walk-on game AS LONG AS THEY PLAY WITHIN THE CONFINES of the field's rules and more importantly within the realm of COMMON FRICKIN' SENSE.

It's very simple - LIFE IS NOT FAIR OR PERFECT - never has been never will be. There will always be jerks, egos, A-holes, nice guys, "newbies" - the full spectrum - - NO MATTER WHAT THE ENDEVOUR - be it paintball or walking down the damn street.

What truely separates us - is the manner in which we handle our differences.

[Lohman446]

, I try to meet up with them and say Iam sorry. If I ever hit anyone and made them cry I would stop what I was doing and check on them. (we have done that in the past when a kid got hit once and was crying). Any of you guys stop and check on the kid, from what you wrote you just continued playing...oh well to bad so sad huh

Thats the main problem with the whole thing. Things happen on teh field, mistakes, and occassionally someone gets hurt, or more likely there pride hurt. Apologies, admitting a mistake go a long way. With something like this letting a kid try a "super gun" for five minutes, taking him "hunting" for other players iwth it.. playing could make a bad experience for him into a good one.. ignoring him there was no chance.

[OmniDynmc]

Not trying to sound too harsh but:

1. you said your "squad" and "squad members", kinda sounds like a team that normally plays together
2. Iam a walk-on too when my team goes out and plays rec-day (we also have seperate practice days), just dont have to play like that.
3. Never said you were tourney players - just 20 bps is more for the tourney teams
4. Yes you can stop from overshooting 20 balls - don't do it. Even when I had my impluse out on rec days I never tried to fire more than three shots. When I had my electro-spyder I did not use the three round burst, to easy to overshoot. When Iam on the field and overshoot, which I consider three balls hitting someone, I try to meet up with them and say Iam sorry. If I ever hit anyone and made them cry I would stop what I was doing and check on them. (we have done that in the past when a kid got hit once and was crying). Any of you guys stop and check on the kid, from what you wrote you just continued playing...oh well to bad so sad huh

Actually yes, I did and offered to help them off the field.

I should have put a :P or :) or j/k after the "dominate the field like we usually do" comment. We're about 4-5 friends who have played there for a long time and typically we do a lot of backdooring etc. We aren't the gun-hoe kill everyone types, that was my bad for putting it like that.

Greg

[CrawforDry]

I own a couple high end markers (a viking and an excalibur) and I find I lure more players into the game than scare them away. Naturally a little kid is going to be scared but that is person to person and that would happen regardless of marker speed. I'm pretty sure a tippmann could deliver two or three shots to say the neck and that would be enough to end a young players experience. I frequently lend my markers out to new players and ref(also watching my markers closely ;D) and by the end of the game every single time the player is absolutly in love with my gun and asking how much it costs, where to buy one, explaining every detail of the game to me.

You fail to look at the aspect of "home field advantage." It seems pretty unfail that you and your friends know all of the terrain and how to use every aspect your environment to help your play. In a woodsball game this can be just as lethal as a fast marker in airball.

[Cowboy97]

My thoughts

This is alot of the reason I think I want to avoid RT. Even when I wasn't playing, i tried to direct folks into the game that were interested or saw my scant 2 trophies.

Storytime!
In all my time in rec/tourney ball I only ripped one kid, and that was cause he flash fried another kid from 3 ft away in the back of the neck, who was on the same team! Did it and laughed, and his dad laughed too. My partner burned up dad the next game and I cooked the kid like a turkey. I felt kind of guilty, but that all went away when brat and bastard left, and everyone was thanking us.

I also have a different perspective. I'm going to be taking my nephew to play, and I intend on testing the fields before we go. And the above is all the more reason too. I'm not saying your buddy was in the wrong. i'd have probably done the same thing. You don't know who is in that bush. Any amount of tourney ball gives you some mentallity to throw the paint when in doubt or you have no shot. At least you did do the upright thing in helping them off the field. Compassion and an apology go a long way when they are sincere.

[master_alexander]

it is the exact same thing here, where i play. all the refs that are off that day play half of the day and spray paint the other half. i am a more of a regular than i used to be, i can shoot in the middle of the "pros" and the "walk on's" and i do pretty well.

but what really ticks me off is when i actually use my mind and not spray paint and outsmart the guys with the fast guns and then their friend that i just got out tells them where i am... ruining my plan. i'm going to start a thread on that and see what everyone else says.

[gc82000]

Hater.....

Dude you are not getting the point of fast guns because you play woodsball. Which I honestly dont blame you or your choice of game. But dont go saying that a certain gun sucks, or that one aspect of the game is less then another. Watch any tourney video and watch the teams spray a stream of paint it is in a very small grouping. Or watch the front men when they are snapping then ussually can pop out five balls in the time it takes to go in and out. And yet again in the same small grouping. You may not think that aiming is a big part of a game but it is. Some ppl can do it faster then others.

[UTDragun]

one day my field was thinking of maybe having a short tourney with only allowing shakedown hoppers (ie non electric).. ya know, the rental hoppers. that way, everyone would be limited to 8 or so bps.
i cant wait to see all those guys with fast guns without eyes try to shoot 8 bps without creating a pool

[bull]

I have no problem with the guns, I use to shoot a Nasty Impluse, great gun. I liked the gun not because of the speed of the trigger, but because of the accuracy. I would have kept it except the silver kinda sticks out in the woods. I have no problem with tourney play, in fact i like watching the games when I get the chance. It not my style of play, but I respect the guys that like to play that style. 20 BPS had a place and its on the tourney field.

My problem was 20 BPS into a bush not knowing whats going on, "Trying not to overshoot" people, and continuing a game while someone is "screaming bloody murder" in pain.

Also I'll say Iam sorry since I missed this: see below still learning the quote feature




I don't think anybody goes to a paintball field not expecting to get hit, they just don't expect to get hit by 10-12 paintballs in a second. Also paintball is not SWAT or tackle football it a friggin game that can be played by a entire family. My son plays hes 15, my little girl who is 10 wants to play (it won't be at your field). Playing tourney you can get overshot real easy, but even then these players know when to let off the trigger, theres no reason to overshoot that much in the woods. Most of the guys with this type of macho attitude about the game is the cop type wanna-bes's who can't handle it in real life. Your story just does not add up. it sounds like you guys want to shoot like a tourney, just not get hit like one. And get your pink dress out, we may be able to shoot 14+ BPS, we just dont shoot a person with 14 BPS.

Face it what happened was dangerous and stupid. If it had been at my playing field your friend would have at least been booted for the day.

[bull]

see above

I don't believe I said I had a team. I said squad, and it's a group of friends that actually MET each other at that field over time and we DO play together and often times against each other depending on the number of walk-ons that day. Hell, I don't even play tourny.

And as to the football and hockey thing, since I don't play either, I play volleyball typically open gyms here don't have any 12 year olds. At least not at the park and rec centers in town, in fact you have to be over 18 just to get in due to the danger of the sport and liability. If you re-read my post you should find that I'm saying I think the Dad and the Kid got a raw deal partially because of the speed the marker is able to shoot at and partially because people are allowed to continue to do it.

Paintball is NOT flag football, whether they expect it or not, it is by nature a high-impact sport as I said earlier, if you don't come expecting to get hit with a paintball, it's probably not your sport, it *should* be common sense.

And if you must know, I actually stayed with them attempted to suggest the safest way to get off the field. Every rec field I've been to, it's very easy to get overshot, in fact this local field WARNS you that it can and does happen, and though discouraged it's a part of life.

I don't see a reason for your hostility to be honest, perhaps he could have chilled a bit on the shooting but show me a field where there aren't people shooting 14bps on average that isn't pump only and I'll wear a pink dress. Which of course brings us back to my point, how is shooting 14bps or higher "sport"ing?

If you'll take some more time to really read what I've said you'll find I'm not ripping up the unskilled players, I'm shaming the skilled (not refering to just tourny players) for needing to shoot their hopper out in a matter of seconds who shouldn't need to.

Greg

[thorn]

high bps= tourney players
bounce= not acceptable
high bps= NOT rec-ball
low bps= rec ball.

[Lohman446]

Just for the record I don't mean to bash tournament players

I would sooner introduce my kids to paintball with the tournament players I know in a controlled game than in an open walk on rec-ball game.

[Predator-KMK]