"Cheater Boards"; Ruining Paintball?

[Codekevin0403]

This subject has probably come up at some point or another, but i just wanted to say some stuff.

Well, one day, at our local paintball field, there was a tourney. There were these 2 really "special teams" (i say special because they were the only 2 teams at the tourney where everyone used the same guns.) One of them were running Automag RT's, the others were running freestyles w/ i believe predator code? Off the break, i could hear a constant bang of paintballs from the freestyles, while the mags were returning a lot slower. (no offense to mags, i love them too, but you have to admit they can't keep up with the high-end electros) Well, it seemed like almost the whole team-we play 10 vs 10 i believe-was wiped out by this sudden outburst. After the game, i went up to a team member, i think his name was josh something..., and asked how they did that? I mean it was crazy what they were shooting, at least 22 bps, and he said they used the fast ramping mode to do it. I didn't know what to say, so i left, and i just sat there wondering if this should be allowed or not. I was wondering if any of you fellow paintball players have any input on this issue?

[Codekevin0403]

Oh, and my opinion is kinda on both sides. I own a smart parts shocker too with a predator II board and break beam eyes, and i love the fast ramping. i don't use it in tourney's though, but it's there... Anyways, if it was me, i think about it and i think that maybe it really doesn't matter, you only need one paintball to tag someone out, what's the point of spraying a bunch? but then what's the point of not spraying a bunch?

Anyways, i still want all your opinions on this.

[Gumbe]

ok this is killing my love for paintball...the point of shotting 22bps is it like a stright line honestly there no way you can get out of that you can just make a wall of paintball and hit anyone standing there....and it not like u only get hit with 5 you get hit with 10 it hurt... and with these cheap ****ing things there is taking most of the skill away...honestly you can show lik 6bps and be good..but if 22bps coming at yeah your ****ed, there no way you can shot him when your pind down...

this is just my opion

[hobbesTZ]

If it's an issue then get an electro. You can have the speed like anyone else. It's not like their going to be fearless because of the speed. With my Intimidator, $50 got me a board with the PSP software, which I think will cut down on gun cheats. Either you evolve with paintball, or don't play with people like that.

[txaggie08]

realy easy way to stop all this dumb "dheater board" crap. limit feed rate on the hoppers. if they cant get the paint they cant cheat

[TDonovan]

Exactly what I was thinking...

Make everyone use a 12v revvy/empire reloader and use whatever software you want. It's interesting, but wouldn't happen.

[jenarelJAM]

then again, i use a qloader, and its fed by a spring.
if you made it so it only fed 15 bps or so at the beginning, half of the pod wouldnt have enough force to unload.
i think its a good idea tho, all you ppl not using qloaders limit your fire

[Kallahan]

It's ruining paintball like Semi's did, like the rocking triggers, like the full auto guns, like electros, like 62 cal paint. Yadda yadda yadda. There is a place for every type of paintball play, maybe not an insurance company though.

[jenarelJAM]

personally, i think the recent move of allowing ramping in tourneys is a bad move. if you only have to get it up to 7 bps( or whatever it is) and then shott 3 bps to keep it going at 15bps, that seems like it takes away alot of the "skill"
i have nothing agaisnt them limiting speed to 15 bps, it makes for longer games, slower paced games, and more strategy, rather than spray and pray. it just bugs me that ppl who dont want to void our AGD warrantees by buying new boards will be outgunned by people shooting 3 bps. its not that big of a deal, but its annoying.

[JRingold]

We need a Rate of Fire Limitation!

I for one am lobbying for a limitation on the rate of fire. Just like there is an established velocity, there should be an established limitation on the rate of fire. The only way I am in support of a rate of fire greater than 15bps, is if you can actually pull the trigger that fast. Using a ramping board has nothing to do with skill.

[jenarelJAM]

yes thats exactly what im saying, just in more and less effective words

[Blazestorm]

I played a 2man tournament on sunday (ya wtf?)

There was a 2minute time limit, I carried 2 pods with me every game.

The only games I used a pod were the games we stalemated.

We won 10 games, every game I was alive, and every game I had both my pods full... won the event... lots of fun...

Speed doesn't really matter all that much. 10bps or 15bps... Ya sure maxing the loader is fun, but a waste of paint. It's individual skill is what pulls games out in smaller events. (5man and lower).

[Teamslayer76]

Currently I have a Nerve, it does have some insanse ramping things. I could easily run off the 20-27 bps range in the ramping modes. Sure I show some friends the awsome power of it. But when we get to the field of course I open up the grip frame and shut it off.
If it were on I'd just obliterate everything. If its possible it shoots too fast.
Also think about 2 years ago we were shooting around 20bps tops. That has changed now its around 30bps sometimes even 40bps with some really fast fingers and ramping/cheating.
If this continues what are we going to to do? Have 1,000 round hoppers and paint starts to ship in pounds like it should. This is a bad trend very very bad trend. Espcially for the more expirence "old school" baller.

[thorn]

22 bps is like shooting practical paint-lasers across the field. it not very fair. however, i think that the nxl/psp 15 bps thing is alright, becuase its better than uncapped ramping (like the story u told us) but where i play (the largest tournament series in texas) ramping is absolutely unacceptable.

In fact, here is the rule for my league:

Illegal Marker (Ramping and Bounce)



12.66. Any player found using a marker that does not meet the qualifications of rule 5.23 and 5.23.1 in a game will be immediately ejected for the remainder of the event. In addition, the team of such the player will receive a score of 0 and their opponents will receive a score of 100 for that game. If the rule infraction occurs during the Finals round, the player will be ejected for the remainder of the event and the following HRL event.

[RRfireblade]

Umm....no.

What is REALLY ruining the sport for many is field owners NOT enforcing existing rules and industry established guidelines and NOT forcefully dealing with cheaters,losers and other lowlife dirt.

There will always be cheaters,miscreants criminals and overall bad people...you can't change that.What you CAN change is who you allow to run the ship.