Any other services similar to DevilMAG?

[Codekevin0403]

I have just a few things to say:

1) No offense to mag owners (i myself own a mag), but i haven't seen many tourney teams using mags, devilmag or spydermag. So if it were me, i'd just go with the spyder esp frame

2) Also, many people believe spyders to be great starter guns, as they are very reliable and easy to maintain. So what is all this stuff about the sear breaking down or the parts breaking on you? If that was the case, how would all the beginning players fix it?

I'm not saying that the devilmag isn't beter. I think it way outperforms the spyder frame. But the reason most people by the devilmag frame isn't because of the firing modes, since many consider them cheating, but just so they can keep up with the high-end electros on the field. The spyder frame can keep up with them just as well, but at a fraction of the cost.

Well that's my 2 cents worth...

[tonybhall]

And just so everyone is clear, my spydermag is not held together with duct tape and Elmore's glue. While duct tape is a great invention, I actually use frame screws (imagine that) just like the ones used by AGD and even like the ones on the Devil Mag.

All this talk about it being "pieced together" and "cobbled" (whatever that means) has the negative conatation that somehow it's just on the verge of falling apart. Just for the record. My spydermag was done with a milling machine and a drill press. The same kind of tools that would be used by any company that would mass produce this type of item (except theirs would likely be automated).

The only thing that makes a Intelli or Devil or Hyper Frame "made for a Mag" is that they have the holes for the frame screws drilled to line up with the holes in the Mag and that the sear placement aligns with the on/off.

The spydermag conversion, when done the way my thread describes, has the effect of making the spyder sear take the place of the trigger rod on a mech mag. We drill the new front frame screw and mill out a channel for the mag sear to fit into. Presto! It's now "made for a Mag."

I know that some people hear Spyder and think "cheap." Ok, the frame is really just a hunk of metal. What about that is going to fall apart? We still use the ESP wiring. Wires are for the most part wires. Spyder wires, Devil wires, not much diff. We throw out the spyder board so that's not an issue. That just leaves the selonoid. Never had a problem with mine. And if I did, they are a dime a dozen so to speak. Got to love Radio Shack.

Point being, there is nothing cheap or poorly constructed about my Spydermag. I'll put it up against any Manufactured stock or aftermarket frame made.

[hitech]

Never had a problem with mine. And if I did, they are a dime a dozen so to speak. Got to love Radio Shack.

You wouldn't happen to have a part number for that solenoid, would you? Any change you can post it, or PM me with it? I actually get a fair number of people asking me if I know where to get one.

[tonybhall]

Hey Hitech,

How's it going. Haven't talked to you in a long while.

I don't know the part number but could probably find it with a little research. If I do I'll post it or PM it to you. A better person to ask might be Otter. He's the spyder guru, you know?

[moed59]

if you have a HYPER frame

coolhand will do the exact same thing as a devilmag, and if im wrong tell me the diffrence besides the price. for 425 coolhand will install a pred board same as GA and he'll install eyes
so you'll have a satanmag instead

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=158401

[GA Devil]

coolhand will do the exact same thing as a devilmag, and if im wrong tell me the diffrence besides the price. for 425 coolhand will install a pred board same as GA and he'll install eyes
so you'll have a satanmag instead
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=158401

http://www.devilsden.tv/devilmag.htm

my upgrade 1 includes the eyes installed with the Predator and other upgrades I include for hyperframed mags.

[moed59]

Yeah

devilmag is CHEAPER my bad GA wasnt trying to step on any toes

[bound for glory]

get hold of an emag or xmag.my emag shoots fast. sure, i'd love a devilmag. but to read some of these posts you'd swear agd markers are crap unless you have a bunch of work done to then

[warbeak2099]

Not crap just slow. Legally speaking. Of course you can grab an adjustable tank and bounce the crap out of a mag w/ rt style valve, but that won't do you any good if you're playing tournies. So unless you do some work or mods to them, they won't be able to compete speed wise with other markers. Sure there are some people who can walk a ult'd mech mag at 14bps, but that takes quite a bit of effort and isn't as practical as walking an electro with a 25g switch.

[bound for glory]

define slow if you live in the fantasy world were you think you(or any human) can pull a trigger more than 14 times a second, ok, fine. than i guess my emag(with its trigger job) at about 14 bps is slow. does anyone in paintball really understand the very simple concept of 1 second? hey lohman, help me out here...

[Lohman446]

On the theory of anyone saying they can shoot 99BPS...

Prove it... legal trigger pulls, with the camera stationed to see your trigger pulls and releases and sound graph analysis linking those trigger pulls to the marker firing. Must be with paint. Must be able to see each trigger pull and release. Must be no more than one shot per pull and release of teh trigger. 15BPS sustained for 10 seconds - $20 by paypal to the first person who meets those requirements - I'm excluding Z-man and RRfireblade, who I have this sad suspicion are the only two people on this board that can come close to sustaining 15BPS.

Think of an engine going 1000 RPM - thats many car engines at a touch above idle. Now pick out something on that engine, a fan blade for instance - thats turning at roughly 16 revolutions per second.. you honestly think your fingers are moving that quickly? Better yet, pick out something like an idler pulley, put a big yellow line on it and watch it go around, its smaller like your finger walking a trigger, still think your shooting that fast?

That type of help?

Edit: Take a Shocker in rebound mode - FAST right. Over a chrono I have measured them at 13 to 14BPS... no faster.

Most people when they tell you there BPS divide by 2 and you might be close. Balls fall naturally at roughly 8BPS btw... drop some and see how quick that is. I expect most people in paintball actually shoot at about 7BPS in true semi modes.

[SpecialBlend2786]

This thread has gotten me REALLY interested in tonybhall and his spydermag mod things...

I shall now ponder

[warbeak2099]

No no no, not what I meant. First of all I meant mech mag, not an emag. Electro mags are not slow, I was saying that mech mags are not able to compete speed-wise. And don't think just because you can't hit above 14, no one else can. I can legally hit 17bps. That's not great or anything, but it's all you really need. 20bps is possible legally too. Higher than that is excessive and probably impossible to do legally.

[Lohman446]

No no no, not what I meant. First of all I meant mech mag, not an emag. Electro mags are not slow, I was saying that mech mags are not able to compete speed-wise. And don't think just because you can't hit above 14, no one else can. I can legally hit 17bps. That's not great or anything, but it's all you really need. 20bps is possible legally too. Higher than that is excessive and probably impossible to do legally.

Wanna bet? Seriously, I have given an open ended invitation to earn $20...

Wanna make it a real bet. Say so in the next hour, in this thread, and I will bet you $100 that you cannot meet the terms I outlined within seven days.

Video and soundgraph video of you shooting a marker that can be analyzed:

Showing legal trigger pulls and releases - your finger movements must be visible
No more than one shot per trigger pull and release - pulls to coincide with shots from marker
With paint
15+BPS sustained for 10 or more seconds

I choose.. hmm.. RRFireblade as judge, I trust him, I think he could be judge, and that makes an impartial judge. Fair enough?

[warbeak2099]

I don't have access to the equipment needed (vid camera), but if I did I wouldn't want to make some kind of monetary bet. I'd be happy to do it as a friendly bet. I know I have done 17bps for a couple shots over a chrony. Sustained? No, I've only done about 13-14bps sustained. I only meant I hit 17 as in I got up as high as that. But there are people out there who can do 20.

But there's my point. A mech mag can't compete with that. It's hard to get even 15bps sustained on an electro. On a mech mag it's even harder. I'll say it again, a mech mag cannot compete speed-wise with an electro mag or other electro marker. On a mech the average joe can probably only sustain 9bps at a time. Again, not on par speed-wise. Can it compete in other fields? Hell yea, mags are some of the most durable, reliable, easy to work on, consistant markers out there. I love mine. That's why I'm making it electro, so I can compete not only in all other fields, but in speed now too.