considering a new tac one, any suggestions?

[troll]

I'm considering a new AGD Tac One. I would like some input and technical data if at all possible. Can anyone accommodate me? Any comparisons such as distance Tac One vs. A-5 with Flatline. Any comparisons regarding accuracy Tac One vs. Autocoker VFT. Relevant feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Troll

[jewie27]

I'm considering a new AGD Tac One. I would like some input and technical data if at all possible. Can anyone accommodate me? Any comparisons such as distance Tac One vs. A-5 with Flatline. Any comparisons regarding accuracy Tac One vs. Autocoker VFT. Relevant feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Troll

Accuracy is the same on all guns, as long as your paint and barrel match. Also if your pressure
is being regulated well, all guns are the same.

Distance - 300 fps on all guns will shoot the same distance; except the Flatline. The Flatline is definetly the longest shooting gun on the market, but I'm not sure how much farther it shoots.

[frontrunner]

what do you play, I play alot of woods but i love to hit the airball fields every now and then. The A-5 is a great guy and i used to be one of those tippman sucks people till i started to play woods. I havent used a cocker but i have play a day or two with a buddys flatline A-5 and there are alot of them in our woods group. they tend to the tend to shoot about 25-35 feet past my mag with a 16inch boomie but its not the gun for speedball my mag seems to be a good mix for bot its tough enough for the woods but i can slap my 10inch on it and do ok in airball. they are both great guns the question is which one will better fit your play

[A-Tach-One]

I agree with frontrunner, definetly depends on what stlye your interested in, or both. I own a Tac One and play woods and speedball. Slap on the tactical stuff and ready to go for woods. Slap on shorter barrel and ready to rock speedball. I have played with both guns and personally the feel of the Tac One is much more comfortable and solid feeling. But that's just me. Not trying to take anything away from the A-5, it's a great gun. I used to own one. I am sure you know someone with a A-5 but know anyone that has a Tac? Try them both.

[troll]

I own a A-5 with a flatline...

I own an A-5 with a flatline. I have a buddy on our team that recently got a VFT Autococker and he can outshoot an A-5 with a flatline both by distance and accuracy. His cocker has a 14" Smart Parts AA and some minor mods (hammer and main valve). What I want to know is will the Tac One hold a candle to his cocker. Range, Accuracy, etc. The A-5 is a fine marker but the accuracy with a flatline leaves much to be desired.

[troll]

smoking crack

To Jewie27... Your response about all markers having the same accuracy, yada, yada, is a bunch of BS. Markers that fire from a closed bolt have far better accuracy than markers that fire from an open bolt (ie, an Autococker vs. a Spyder, ther is no comparison the Cocker will smoke the Spyder). I agree that paint and barrel match is critical but a .689 in a Cocker is a good all purpose barrel. Yes a well regulated marker is also critical. If you catch my drift thus far, a Tac One fires from the closed bolt and the marker can be regulated pressure can be varried. This is why I'm looking into a Tac One. These are also some of the reasons that a Spyder costs $100 and a Tac One costs $450. Can anyone (besides Jewie27) give me some more information.

[Maggot6]

To the closed bolt accuracy post, I beleive Tom Kaye did some sort of study / experiement on that, and they don't matter.(open vs closed accuracy) It isa myth. However, I don't own a closed bolt marker, I am just going by what the best has said. SO the paint to barrel, and consistent pressure is all that matters, but if you feel that closed bolt is still more accurate, then I am not discouraging you to still shoot it.

[automikey]

Accuracy is the same on all guns, as long as your paint and barrel match. Also if your pressure
is being regulated well, all guns are the same.

Distance - 300 fps on all guns will shoot the same distance; except the Flatline. The Flatline is definetly the longest shooting gun on the market, but I'm not sure how much farther it shoots.

I have not found accuracy to be the same on all guns. The theories about open vs. closed bolt make sense, but it is nearly impossible to isolate all the variables involved in order to test this adequately. In testing they come out fairly equal. HPA and good regulation are very important, if you're using CO2 then accuracy isn't a big deal to you (unless you are shooting maybe 1bps so the marker can warm up between shots).

My A5 is very consistent (fps over the chrono), accuracy with the A5 with flatline is actually pretty poor, but you do gain distance and a flat tragectory. I found this good for woodsball when I started, but now the innacuracy is frustrating and I'd rather sneak up a little closer and use a different barrel. Less than 150' and the flatline loses most of it's advantage; beyond 150' I have enought time to react to an innacurate flatline shot and find cover.

I think the A5/flatline combo is the best marker out there for keeping a squad of invaders pinned down from a long distance. But you might not actually hit any of them.

Troll- I have a Tac One, I thought it was "open-bolt" in design since the ball is chambered and fired in the same motion. Closed bolt means the ball is chambered first and then fired, so it is at rest before firing. This means less movement of the ball right before it is fired, and that should improve accuracy (It's all about being gentle on your balls- should be second nature to us, right?)

Also consider the design, the A5 has many more moving parts which could cause vibration while firing. A slight vibration at the gun while firing could mean a few inches off target once the ball travels 100 feet. My Tac seems to launch paintballs continuously with very little movement.

Jewie27 is right, however, that the paint/barrel match and good regulation are the most important.

That being said, my 98c with Freak barrel and HPA is super accurate. So who knows?

[UTDragun]

just a thought....

didnt they used to make wgp flatlines? would they work with a tac one?

[nt2004]

the closed bolt versus open bolt arguement has been beated to death and it has been proven countless times that there is no real difference. Bringing that up is only going to cause some serious flaming.

As for the A-5 with flatline being less accurate, its because its a flatline. I used to own one several years ago and the barrel tends to take a lot of velocity out of the shots. That being said, it is very easily affected by wind at long distances which makes it appear much less accurate. It has nothing to do with the bolt, its all the barrels fault in this case

[D-Block]

I own both a Tac-One and A-5 Flatlined, and both are great guns. I prefer the Tac-One because its small and more manueverable (sp?). Both guns can take a beatin' and both guns are very reliable. The flatline can let you down sometimes as the added distance will most likely result in more bounces. Not the easiest barrel to clean either, but its 10x easier than a 98c flatline . The A-5 will actually work on CO2, but I vote Tac-One.

[onedude36]

(ie, an Autococker vs. a Spyder, ther is no comparison the Cocker will smoke the Spyder.

Of course. But will the autococker smoke a viking, an open bolt gun that actually has regulators. I dont think so.

[A-Tach-One]

From my experience, the Tac One out performs the A5. Whoever said Tippmanns are the most durable guns obviosly hasn't used a Tac One. Not only is the Tac One more comfy, it has such a more solid feel to it. The flatline may work great for most but I play against 2 guys with those and there always complaining that they never know if there going to hit there target. Ofcourse they could just suck that bad that they couldn't hit a broad side of a barn, but doubt it. My opinion I don't care how far it shoots, if I'm that far from the action then dangit I need to get in the game and secondly if your being shot at from a distance, you actually hear the shot before it comes near you. Giving you enough time to see where it's coming from and dodge the ball. The further a ball has to travel the less acurate it's going to be. A5 with a Flatline and you bust a ball, oh your screwed. With a busted ball in that curved design you'll never know what a ball is going to do. At least with another barrel you have a chance of shooting out the paint. Also with the tac one, no more shoot down with the xvalve too. Big plus in my opinion.

[frontrunner]

didnt they used to make wgp flatlines? would they work with a tac one?

yes but it wasnt a screw on barrel it was the gun a guy i play wiht has one and loves i but he was a tippman guy for years and he olny plays woods

[troll]

Maggot6

Maggot6... Yes several people have done open vs. closed boly studies, not only on paintball markers but on firearms as well. The reason they make bolt action high power riifles is because the bolt stays forward and locked the entire time a round is leaving the rifle. This is desirable because the accuracly of bolt action rifles (overall) is unmatched. Paintball markers are no different, they use a gas to propell the ball out of the marker. Now think about you posting for a second. Which is going to give you more consistency, a closed bolt marker running on HPA and shooting all gas down the barrel or an open bolt marker, running on HPA, shooting a consistent amout of gas inconsistently between the barrel and the feed neck?