That's it, I've had enough!

[WARPED1]

Alright.. lets talk about something on the automag that hasn't already been discussed...

The newest ummm... hmm... yeh, ok nevermind

ROFLMAO Preach on brother.

[kman]

Good rant, but i've never been much for ranting. Out of all the guns i've ever owned, all i can think about is upgrading the 'ole mag. About the only product nowadays that interests me for it as far as upgrades is the pneu frame. Electro like speed is all it needs to be the perfect gun for me. Hopefully it will happen.

[Jerhew]

So your saying that no matter what pressure I use to move the on/off won't affect my efficency? I mean higher input pressure leads to more reactivity does it not?

Example if I use less pressure to move the on/off I should get less reactivity in the "bounce". If I was to turn up the pressure it can and will run away (one pull sets off several shots above 1000 usually), which from my experience of messing with it, sucked my tank dry faster with fewer shots being fired. So in other words what I'm saying is that by using more air to open the on/off should in turn makes your shots per tank go down. Which is why I got a great deal more shots then someone else with a 45/45 preset. Tank was filled about the same, I turned my output down (his was 900 and mine was 700) I got more shots per fill then the other guy did. It might be a difference of 50+ balls but still those extra 50 shots can come in handy. Was this a fluke or what? Or maybe I don't know enough about mags anymore to understand how they operate.

there are far too many variables for that to even be a valid experiment...
either way, i assure you that you're missing a lot, and it's definitely not air leaking out of the trigger thats affecting your efficiency, as you apparently believe.
ill elaborate if i have to.

[Meph]

Ugh. Tasters Choice IS piss and Mr.Coffee couldn't produce a decent cup of warm swill.

I just switched to Sanka.

Have a heart.

[Rudz]

old

r we too bored that we have to drag up months old threads? damn u demonio, let this die

[mobsterboy]

ALL GUNS have a negative aspect.

As much as it pains me to say this, the automag is the problem with the gun. Sure it is supanice, can be tuned and chrono +-2 fps, but its limitation is its design. Its about 5 years away from a spool valve and its pretty much outdated. Now the real problem is will ppl still love it even though its still based on a design 15 years ago. Sure they will, just like ppl love the design of the fuel injection system, a design made 17+years ago (care to argue with me? Ive got an '88 BMW that has fuel injection sitting in my driveway, so i know its gotta be an old system).

Face it guys, no one likes to call the home team losers, but we definitely need new players. I mean, mickey mantle(automag) and babe ruth(emag) might be hall of famers, but they are definitely too old to keep up with todays age

[dahoeb]

i like your comparisons mobsterboy.
but i don't believe any mid/high end marker is any better or any worse than the next, nowadays. (there are exceptions....)

with good quality markers, like dm's, angels, mags, etc; i believe the user is the person that decides whether the marker is good or not. its all perception and preference.

if player "A" hates a mag, but loves a matrix, while player "B" hates the matrix but loves the mag, which marker is better? simple, for player "A" its the matrix and for player "B" its the mag. thats all there is to it. preference.
if the marker you shoot isn't the one you prefer, it'll suck to you no matter what it says on paper.

i know a lot of maggers (myself included) who've never felt outgunned on the field. because we know we're holding the best marker in our hands.

[DaveSM]

Efficiency is simply over-hyped. I don't care if I can get 1200 shots on a marker X out of a 68/3k instead of 1150 on a marker Y. I simply don't care when it get past the amount of balls that I carry one the field. When I play speedball I play front and I don't carry that much paint. When I play outdoor I never carry over 1k paintball. When I play with my phantom I only carry 40-50 rounds so I could last many rounds before getting back to get some paint. Efficiency only really care when you play stock-class paintball and you want to get more shots out of a 12 grams.

[-=Squid=-]

What the hell is 'efficentcy?'

[Vex]

What the hell is 'efficentcy?'

C'mon Squid...you were schooled in Arkansas, you should know how to spell words phonetically.

[phantomhitman]

Efficiency is simply over-hyped. I don't care if I can get 1200 shots on a marker X out of a 68/3k instead of 1150 on a marker Y. I simply don't care when it get past the amount of balls that I carry one the field. When I play speedball I play front and I don't carry that much paint. When I play outdoor I never carry over 1k paintball. When I play with my phantom I only carry 40-50 rounds so I could last many rounds before getting back to get some paint. Efficiency only really care when you play stock-class paintball and you want to get more shots out of a 12 grams.

If you play at a field where the fill station is a long walk from the area you play it might matter. If you get tired of filling up after every game it could matter. It is not that big of a deal for me either (i get all day air) but I would like better effeciency if possible. It cannot hurt anything, so why not? However, I am not going to solely buy a gun because it is effecient.

[UTDragun]

If you play at a field where the fill station is a long walk from the area you play it might matter. If you get tired of filling up after every game it could matter. It is not that big of a deal for me either (i get all day air) but I would like better effeciency if possible. It cannot hurt anything, so why not? However, I am not going to solely buy a gun because it is effecient.

the reason why Ilike guns that are effiecient is that I love playing tournaments with 45/45's with no drops for good weight distribution, being able to stay close to the gun, and comfort. If I try playing with my xmag, Id run out of air before the game was over so Id ahve to move up a tank size which could unbalance everything.

[Torbo]

"Maybe it's lack of sleep, could be new meds I'm on I don't know,"

but all i hear is one more person complaining about how no one likes mags, and how they are just as good as everything else, and everyone should shoot one beacuse agd is a good company, and 15 year old guns shoot better than new guns.

heres the thing tho: NO ONE CARES. If you wanna shot a mag, do it. no one is stopping you from shooting whatever you want. you complaining isnt going to make people like mags more. And, it doesnt matter if people like mags, you can still shoot one even if no one else does. STFU and play paintball.

[P8ntBallBoom]

Opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one. That in mind let me state mine.

Sure, there are cons of the mag. But hey guess what, most of those things have been fixed by TK's brilliant mind. Of course as of late it's been a little on the slow side but regardless, if we've wanted it, he's brought it to us. What we have to realize is that complaining leads to better products. However, its when the complaining gets to the point where that's all you do, that's when you just need to shut up and play paintball as was said before.

My 2 cents